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Old 11-14-2009, 06:28 PM
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Default Which drill grinder (pointer) to buy?

First hand, owner opinions sought on drill grinders. I'm looking for a machine which will handle up to 2-1/2" drill bits. Sterling? Oliver of Adrian? One more question. It would seem to be possible to sharpen drill bits accuratly on a T&C grinder, but neither the K.O. Lee text nor any other I read describes how. Any ideas?
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Old 11-14-2009, 07:03 PM
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I have gone thru quite a few drill grinders. The challenge is diameters under 0.75". Larger diameters may be ground by hand. That said the Winslow grinding system eclipses all others. I will be posting a slow motion of my winslow at work soon. I put a vfd on the machine in order to analyze motion.
Here is a video from Ireland that breaks down the motions and principles of sharpening. You may not want the hardware but I found thinking thru the intent of the tool helpful

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woC2Pp5x8Ec
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Old 11-18-2009, 08:51 AM
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Regarding the video by the gentleman from Ireland, I believe that the degree of success that is achieved with his hardware, as demonstrated, has about the same likelyhood of producing a centered, equal profile on each side, as simply hand grinding, it will never be very accurate.

Should he solidly mount the grinder to the board, square to his work and dress the wheel, his chances will greatly improve. Add to that a change in technique, that of sparking out each side before advancing the drill into the wheel, will help approaching equal grinds and a centered point. Achieving that with his technique will be a seldom to never experience, depending on ones interpretations of "centered" and "equal". To me, those words need no qualifiers like sorta' or close..... An easy modification to his bottom stop, the addition of an advancement screw, will help a great deal.

I can't speak to any of the brands of drill grinders above but the Sterling. It controls all facets of the process, leaving nothing to chance, if operator technique is thoughtful. It produces a very good grind on up to a 3" X 20" drill but does not address point thinning. It is fast to set up and to get a good grind, needing no ancillary devices, such as collets, cams etc. It does however feature a well mounted diamond point wheel dresser, that handily hangs just out of the way, ready to sweep across the face of the wheel at any moment. I've found that with the Sterling, each dressing lasts for quite a lot of sharpening. The drill being arced across a wide flat face.

In my shop, I collect dull drills, usually 'til I don't have a sharp one in the size that I need, then I sharpen all of them. I sort the drills to size, largest first, as the Sterling (and most others) require adjustment for diameter, clearly marked on a easily adjusted wheel. A pile of dull only, (no big chips etc.) of 10 to 20 large drills, doesn't eat much of a hole in my day, it's quick.

Starting with one of the rolling file cabinets, of the single "drawer" variety, with a top that lifts and slides back to rest vertically behind the cabinet, I built a stair-stepped assembly of four plywood platforms, each with 3 layers of plywood, each spaced appropriately to accommodate MT #1, #2, #3 and #4, different diameters of holes drilled in the top two layers of each and spaced, to suit each taper, with the third, bottom pieces, as a stop for the tangs.

It makes me feel rich to slide back the top and see dozens of sharp drills sticking up for the choosing, certain that each will produce two equal chips to the proper diameter, cutting fast and smooth. The 50 years I spent hand sharpening drills without the Sterling, keeps my appreciation very high, approaching giddy. I look forward to the sharpening sessions.

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Old 11-18-2009, 10:50 AM
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I have an Oliver 510 drill grinder. It will handle up to 3" drills. I love it. Works great and for the price I paid, it is the best thing since sliced bread!
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:36 PM
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I've gotta agree with jackalope. 510's are great and accurate and quick. Sterlings are also good. Winslows are one of the best, but oh boy are they pricey. As for the demo on the one in Ireland; I'd just as soon drag the bit across a cement block. You can get a 510 for pretty cheap and get terrific support from Oliver.

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Old 11-18-2009, 03:54 PM
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I'd just as soon drag the bit across a cement block
That's so funny.
He wants 70 Euro's for the 'kit' too. Shoddy!

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Old 11-18-2009, 04:35 PM
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I wonder what these are like??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIsRhOQlTOs

Or a smaller one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hG5v...eature=related
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:56 PM
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I've got a 510 Oliver in my own shop & use a 600 Oliver at work. Both seem rather simple to use. 600 definately the sweeter machine. Heavier, smoother, the air feed is handy if you've got any number of drills to tune up, plus my 510 doesn't have coolant as the 600 does, definately a plus if you've got much material to remove. If you drilll holes of significant depth the self centering point seems to improve accuracy also, both will do this.

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Old 11-18-2009, 07:57 PM
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Looks interesting, I like the magazine that will hold and feed twelve tools of the same size. Claims that it will sharpen anything with a cutting edge, but it's from china. So, not in my shop.
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Old 11-18-2009, 11:58 PM
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but it's from china. So, not in my shop.
Looked like Taiwan to me... http://www.pei-ping.com/
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