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Colonial Gunsmith Video

Interesting... but it perpetuates a couple of myths, especially that colonial gunmakers made the "whole thing." They didn't. The worst example is the gun lock... there are virtually no American-made gun locks for the civilian trade until just before the Civil War. Americans did make rifle barrels, but as often as not they were made by specialists and sold to the gunmakers. The same can be said for engraving - some did it. Others probably relied on itinerant craftsmen. Of course, this adds confusion to the collector desire to be able to attribute unsigned rifles...

Basically, we have a view of colonial gunmaking based on the work of Colonel Dillon. His book on the subject was the first, and was extremely influential. Unfortunately, he was a great one for expressing his guesses as facts. He also spent a lot of time in the Great Smokey Mountains visiting rural gunmakers... who were still building muzzle loaders well into the 20th century. Dillon made the mistake of equating their methods with those of the 18th century, which perhaps seemed logical to him but he vastly underestimated the sophistication of 18th century commerce. Mountain gunmakers might make a lock, but not because they wanted to. In the 18th century they were commonly available items where by 1920 there were none to be had.

A good example of this would be a park I visited there with my family in the 60s... it was organized around a fantastic complex of water powered machinery, with nearly everything made of wood. My mom was enthralled by it, but she presumed it was really old... I was reading one of the tags and I noticed the date... "Mom, this place was built in 1913!" (She was born in 1919.) It was then we realized it was archaic, but it wasn't really old. It was a brilliant example of creative engineering in a primitive area. Much of the popular perception of 18th century gunmaking is the same.
 
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Thanks for filling us in on the history 99Panhard. I always appreciate learning the most accurate version of history as we understand it.

I will say for the sake of the documentary, I'm sure glad he made the entire rifle so we could see the whole process. I for one am impressed by the work that was done by Mr. Gusler, especially at such a young age.

-Tim
 
And you can't mow down a roomful of people with a single shot rifle.

No, but you could mow down a roomful of people with a blunderbuss. The idea that ancient arms were somehow less lethal is a modern myth.

As for colonial gunmaking, while no doubt many parts were made by specialists colonial blacksmiths were certainly capable of making not only barrels but also iron furniture, triggers, etc. and perhaps also locks.

The history of how Eliphalet Remington made his first gun said how he forged the barrel blank by forge welding strips of iron around a mandrel and then took it to a gunsmith for reaming, rifling, and fitting of the breech plug. While he likely bought cast furniture any good blacksmith could easily make the bits from iron as was done in more remote areas. Locks were AFAIK mostly imported from England but could have been made locally if enough steel was available for the internals and to face the frizzen.
 
And you can't mow down a roomful of people with a single shot rifle.

People like to say that the Lord made men large and small and Sam Colt evened them up. More than that, he restored the mathematics of confrontation to their former state. In the past, from cave men swinging clubs, one man could take on many if he could handle it. On to the legend of Cyrano fighting a hundred men at the Porte De Nesle (unless it was widened later, he didn't do it. The modern porte is too wide for one swordsman to block). Anyway, he could have stood off several inferior ones. That was the case until the introduction of muzzle loading arms. Someone might have a couple of guns and shoot the first two, but it would be back to sabers for the rest and if they had guns, he would be in real trouble. With the introduction of .44 revolvers, with some carrying two, one man could hold off a group and some did.

Re locks, an article I read in the distant past referred to the relationship of Pennsylvania, AKA Kentucky, rifles to German Jaeger rifles. It said that a good Jaeger flintlock would fire upside down while a lot of Pennsylvanias would not. If the Americans bought European locks, why would there be a difference?

Bill
 
People like to say that the Lord made men large and small and Sam Colt evened them up. More than that, he restored the mathematics of confrontation to their former state. In the past, from cave men swinging clubs, one man could take on many if he could handle it. On to the legend of Cyrano fighting a hundred men at the Porte De Nesle (unless it was widened later, he didn't do it. The modern porte is too wide for one swordsman to block). Anyway, he could have stood off several inferior ones. That was the case until the introduction of muzzle loading arms. Someone might have a couple of guns and shoot the first two, but it would be back to sabers for the rest and if they had guns, he would be in real trouble. With the introduction of .44 revolvers, with some carrying two, one man could hold off a group and some did.

Re locks, an article I read in the distant past referred to the relationship of Pennsylvania, AKA Kentucky, rifles to German Jaeger rifles. It said that a good Jaeger flintlock would fire upside down while a lot of Pennsylvanias would not. If the Americans bought European locks, why would there be a difference?

Bill

Back in the single shot pistol days people carried a brace of pistols, possibly two large "horse pistols" in saddle holsters and a couple more on the person. It has been said that maritime pirates sometimes had pistols everywhere, carrying as many as six to eight. Some of these were probably pocket pistols of the screw barrel type. They were compact but very hard hitting due to the pressure on the charge. The king of the screw barrel pistols was the ultra expensive tap action, which had two barrels and a drum instead of a pan that held two priming charges. The first barrel was fired and then the "tap" (a side lever) rotated to the other position and the cock pulled back again. The reason some pirates could "afford" such expensive guns is because they stole them off wealthy victims.

The introduction of the colt replaced several guns with one.

As for the firing upside down bit, while I have not tried it (yet :D) with one of my flintlocks a properly fitted pan should allow that to work regardless of where the lock was made. If the cavity in the frizzen has a poor relationship to the touch hole ignition might be slower but it should still fire unless the powder spills out while turning it upside down.
 
Around 1955, I wrote for a catalog of newly made muzzle-loading rifles by R. Southgate of TN. I think at the time I could get an original percussion PA rifle for about what he was asking for one he made. I just looked him up and found a pretty good 1955 article on "KY" rifles that has pictures of Southgate. He was quite well known for good work.

http://kindigrifles.com/post_article.html

The article mentions the contributions of the KY frontiersmen armed with rifles at the Battle of New Orleans in 1815. My great-great-great grandfather was there as a sergeant with the KY militia, though I can't say for sure if he carried a rifle.

Larry
 
It's mildly ironic this subject should come up. My "magnum opus" is (tentatively) titled "The Ketland Family & the Anglo-American Gun Trade, 1790-1830." It is a project I've been working on sporadically for years but in the past six or eight have gathered a very large amount of heretofore unknown material. The basic premise is that we have a very distorted notion of American gunmaking prior to the Civil War. Not that guns weren't made here - of course they were but, in general, the vast majority of the guns used here were imported whole and of those that can be considered "American made"... virtually all have some imported components, mainly the locks but also the cast brass mounts.

Could a black smith make gun fittings? Certainly, but aside from a few places in the South, this almost never happened. Americans did make gun locks - but only in the national armories and under contract to the federal government. The entire contract system of arms procurement, starting in the 1790s, was a government subsidized attempt to secure the supply of arms exclusive of the need to import them. It succeeded to some extent, albeit bankrupting all but two of the contractors in the process. At the same time, a special act of Congress exempted all small arms from paying duty because the militia - which had to supply it's own arms under Militia Acts of 1799 and 1808, could not be armed from domestic sources.

To supply the civilian market, the making of gun locks was economically impossible. To begin with, the skilled labor simply didn't exist. And, by skilled labor, I don't mean that anyone, anywhere actually made an entire gun lock. The huge majority of them were made in three Black Country towns on the outskirts of Birmingham by a variety of specialists... cock founders, lock plate forgers, fitters, spring makers, pin makers etc. NONE were the product of a single hand. Americans had to import the most critical raw materials. There was no American steel to be had.

All of the contractors, and the national armories, bought all of their steel (and steel tools, like files) overseas - mostly in England but some German steel was used. This was true right up through the Civil War. I have copies of actual orders, from Springfield in the early days of the war, addressed to a famous Birmingham iron monger that not only specifies the materials but what it was to be used for.... Ramrods, Bayonets, lock parts etc...

This was also true for the early saber contractor, Nathan Starr. He bought most of his steel in England but also purchased German steel in New York. When faced with the government's demand that he provide iron scabbards for his sabers, he had his son recruit a scabbard maker in England and offer him a good job and free passage to America. This isn't to denigrate American manufactures, but they were slow in developing. When they did develop, beginning in the 1830s, progress was so astronomically fast that by the 1850s Britain were buying gunmaking machinery in America.

Which brings us to the really important American contribution to both arms making and manufacturing in general. Because we lacked the huge pool of skilled workmen, we were compelled to develop specialized machine tools. This, of course, aided us in perfecting true interchangeable parts. By 1842, the Springfield Armory was probably the most advanced manufacturing facility in the world.
 
Interesting article. Part of the reason for the long rifles was the idea that the powder would burn more completely, increasing velocity. I suspect that another part was simply style, like the silly super extended chopper forks. When Easterners came to our brushy Missouri woods, the long barrels were a handicap and they morphed into the Hawken rifle with a shorter barrel with double pins to withstand rough handling. The Hawken house is now a museum open to the public, just a few miles from here.

Reportedly Quantrill's men's equipment varied but I am told that the standard was six .44s in the saddle bags. Having 36 shots without reloading must have been devastating.

Re Quantrill, OT but interesting is the story of William S. Tough.

http://www.kansasmemory.org/item/211631

Jayhawkers and Red Legs: The Cleveland-Tough Connection

There are several other posts about him. He was one mean SOB. His younger brother lived with him and the brother's grandson and great grandson lived in my neighborhood. Their story was that he would have been as famous (or infamous) as Jesse James if he hadn't gotten married. His wife made him vow to never carry a gun again and he didn't, although he wouldn't go out of the house without his brother, who carried two.

Bill
 
The history of how Eliphalet Remington made his first gun said how he forged the barrel blank by forge welding strips of iron around a mandrel and then took it to a gunsmith for reaming, rifling, and fitting of the breech plug.

There is a reasonable chance this story isn't strictly true. If it is even a bit true, he was only making a barrel the way they had been made for 300 years. I believe it first appears in a little book titled "A New Chapter in an Old Story" published in 1912 at the time Remington was merged with the Union Metallic Cartridge Company. The book itself is absolutely worthless as history. It's possible the story circulated in the Remington family but in the earliest versions of it ER walks to Utica and has the barrel rifled by Morgan James - a famous NY gunmaker. Except, Morgan James was only 3 years old at the time. Remington also advertises itself as "America's Oldest Gunmaker" – something that is patently untrue. Colt was making complete guns long before Remington was. Remington was in the gun parts business and supplied a large percentage of the barrels used on American rifles from the 1830s right up to the early 1860s. They claimed to have introduced cast steel barrels (i.e. crucible steel). This isn't true either but they were the first to market them in quantity and they did introduce a method of making barrels by drawing out the bars - in effect, they made cast steel DOM tubing.

The problem with a lot of these stories is they keep getting repeated without any objective criticism. Much of the rubbish in "A New Chapter" was repeated in the official history of Remington published in the 1950s. It was written by a 3rd-rate novelist named Alden Hatch, a New York socialite and friend of Marcellus Hartley Dodge who had inherited both Remington and UMC from his grandfather, Marcellus Hartley. Hatch specialized in lurid historical fiction and freely admitted he played fast and loose with the truth but some of his stories are still treated as gospel.
 
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About 60 years ago, I owned a slug gun (percussion target rifle with a false muzzle) made by E. W. Cook (1818-1877) of Lockport, NY that had a Remington cast steel barrel. I do recall reading one or two books on Remington in the 1950's, so the barrel fabricating/first rifle story seems familiar.

Larry
 
Surprised George Wilson hasn't chimed in, this was posted some time back and as he worked there many years I seem to recall he knew these fellows.
 








 
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