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dkmc

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From a post with a similar name by pressbrake1 back in 2016
What I saw last week makes the mind boggle....

A Bridgeport type Tiwain mill in the background.
Busted table handwheels. Newall DRO
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A Mittutoyo CMM!
Why would anyone throw this out??
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Nice old Cinnci 16" heavy shaper.
They told me .35 per pound, sounds easy enough.
Then I looked online, and saw it probably weighs 4200lbs.
That's around $1400. Too rich for me, for what it is.
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A nice old Radial Drill.
I had a radial drill on my wish list years ago, but not any more.
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I did get the table off if this machine, $150.
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Wow. It's almost criminal. Not a huge import fan but have heard Nardini made pretty good machines. Cannot go wrong with a shaper... How badly is the radial drill hurt?
 
Machines are funny things in the way of value.
To a machinist they are treasure to anyone else scrap no in between
Even if the machines are worn the dro s are money
 
Where did you see these?

Pondering -

From the label on the can in the background - plus the background itself, I'm guessing Swarthout Recycling in Beaver Dams, NY. DKMC and I are both from the same area - but I'm just guessing as I happen to be on line and he has not responded. Their location reminds me of hunting for car parts in rural Vermont back in the 60s. There were some interesting junk yards in the hills! But then where I live resembles that remark also.

Dale
 
Ya got better junkyards there, than what we have here.

I would have had to get the shaper, it is more than I'd like to give and I sure wouldn't brag about what I paid. It does look nice though, unless there is some hidden problem.
A guy could pretty much get a machine shop there. :rolleyes5:
 
Glad the radial drill table was saved. I need one, but closer to home. I always wonder about these scrap prices. When scrap was very high a number of years ago I took just under 2000 lbs in and got almost $200. Granted most of it was steel. People can tell you what it is going for when they are selling but I seriously doubt and scrap dealer if going to pay that much for a shaper. At least in the Green Bay area. IF someone would give me that kind of money I might sell my 20" Steptoe and there isn't anything major wrong with it. You hear all these stories with steam locomotives too where the scrap value is reported at astronomical amounts. I have about another 2000 lbs of scrap to go in and I doubt it will pay for much. Cleanup up the pile might be nice though. I need to find the scrap yards that pay out this much. Used to be when you brought something like a shaper in they would give you a penny a pound because they had to break it up and seperated the cast from the steel. Oh well best of luck on saving more good stuff. Sure wish I had got that table. Sadness on the fate of some of these machines for sure. Regards, John.
 
Definitely want to give a +1 on the sentiment in Post #7 - the junk yards you hang around are a higher class than the ones in these parts !

The base casting of that radial drill would make a interesting welding table.

JRR
 
If working, that DRO is worth more than the scrap weight of the lathe. And the lathe doesn't look all that busted up either.

Dan L

Its been outside for awhile.
I considered the DRO, but it'd be a project to get permission to take it off separately. And new China units are on ebay for $185 w/ free shipping and good reviews. So why bother really?
I did not see anything wrong with the Rad. Drill.
The killer is the CMM
 
I'd love to have that shaper, but the shipping would double the cost for me.

I see some of the machines and prices up on that north east corridor and its pretty irritating as we don't have nearly the same every day selections. It requires a great deal of patience to wait for a decent deal.
 
The one odd thing about the shaper, was I noticed the missing hand crank for table movement. Then I went and looked at the Drill. Opened the door at the bottom of the column..... inside there were T bolts, Allen head bolts, washers, and a crank handle. Yep, it fit right on the shaper. I put it inside the door with the crank works.
 
You should have seen the carnage when "Buick City" got scrapped out and for sure we had lots of very clean vintage plus lots of newer stuff.
Cmms way past this Mits trashed. Perfectly good and high dollar maintained HMCs, trash canned as scrap metal.
Way older toolroom machines but in pristine level due to care, maintenance, or light use.
Talk about crying.......Yet the price of moving was more that people would pay so.... scrap bin here I come.

As much as it hurts to see it somewhere there is a bottom dollar here that may not make sense to many but works for the bottom line which writes the paychecks.
Sometimes you have to toss the long term old girl onto the scrap heap and say goodbye.
Bob
 
I remember what a pain in the ass it was to sell old equipment when I worked for a mid to large size company.

For example, we had an old lathe that was worn, but still very usable. So we bought a new one and need to move out the old one. Pretty soon employee X says he will buy it for $500 or something. OK, you can have it. Now employee Y and Z are fuming mad because they either also want the machine, or they just don't think employee X should get it.

It was even worse trying to sell stuff to the public. Someone has to handle the potential customers. You have to get buyers into the facility. You need insured riggers to move everything. I worked in the auto industry and it was almost impossible to get people inside the facility. It's not like some small shop where you back your pickup in the garage door and load up. You might be talking $1000 to 2000 in rigging costs to move a small lathe. Cheaper to toss it in the scrap dumpster.

One place I worked, they would sell stuff for a fixed price and they would randomly pick from all the interested employees. That seemed to work OK for simple stuff people would actually want that didn't need rigging. Other places just decided it was not worth it. Everything was either traded to a dealer, sold to a surplus buyer, or scrapped by the riggers. I'm sure plenty were sold to surplus and then scrapped when they couldn't flip them.
 
One place I worked at had about 3,000 employees. When you'd been there a year you could put your name down to buy company property.
The fleet of cars were very popular as they were all replaced every two years irrespective of mileage.
Two rules - you took the car that came up when it was your turn and you paid in cash !

You could be offered the MD's " Bentley " or a lowly salesman's " Ford Escort " or the " Land Rover " complete with snow plough. You declined your car and you went back to the end of the queue to start again.

You could also buy company property than was being got rid of. Strictly first come first served. A pal of mine bought a 10" by 4" girder by about 15 ft long for his brothers garage. It was lying in the works yard against a wall. He went to the head of security who was in charge of sales and paid his money for the beam.

Our foreman, who was a complete Cnut, came to see him the next day and said " Go and get your money back, I'm having that beam". My pal didn't say anything but came in very early the next morning. Haulage trucks were in and out of the works yard all the time. He paid a driver to help him throw the beam on the back of the truck, cover it with a sheet and deliver it to his brothers garage !

He then went to the head of security, told him the beam had been stolen, and got his money back ! He'd be about 20 at the time. You won't be surprised to hear he later became a very successful businessman with his own firm making tunnelling machinery.

Regards Tyrone.
 
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Maybe I live in the wrong area, or go to the wrong scrap yard, or something like that. My local scrap place takes in a bunch of stuff, and there is a yard, but there is no place where interested parties can look at the potentially salvageable stuff dropped off before utter destruction. I asked, and the employees I talked to knew nothing about a salvage area or similar. Once it is dropped off for scrap, it disappears from the world. If it matters, the scrap yard is in an urban environment, next to a rail line. They don't have a lot of space to leave stuff out for seagulls like me.
 
The internet has been good and bad for machines..............It opened up a much bigger world of tools out there, but also drove prices down due to increased supply. I live in a wasteland of machine tools, anything more than an old conehead tends to demand high prices. I hauled most of mine 300 miles, just because of price and availability.
 








 
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