Old monarch lathe ID

pressbrake1 · Apr 22, 2018

Hello seen this old gal for sale languishing in a fabrication workshop.
I assume early 40's marshall aid era.
Can anyone give any info from the bad pics
Regards pb

johnoder · Apr 22, 2018

Possibly a CW which was a 16" / 18 1/2 actual swing made in thirties and forties

The reason I say that is that I can make out the feed/threading reverse lever on head stock, meaning it isn't one of the lead screw reverse models such as CY

Thumbnails are brochure scans

pressbrake1 · Apr 23, 2018

thanks John. It looks like it was a fine machine once or maybe still is. Being a fairly long bed with taper turning makes it a rare beast over here nowadays so I ll try and have a deal on it.

Tyrone Shoelaces · Apr 23, 2018

Going off John's photos that's a very nice looking lathe. Get it away form all that junk, clean it up and you may have a bargain there. Most of the US lathes I've seen over the years in the UK, and I've seen a good few, were from the " Lend - Lease " era. I remember seeing one exactly like that one in a used machine tool dealers in Haringay thirty years ago. Very well made lathe.

Regards Tyrone.

TedinNorfolk · Apr 23, 2018

Hope you get it,it's too good to be in a fab shop!

pressbrake1 · Apr 23, 2018

TedinNorfolk said:
Hope you get it,it's too good to be in a fab shop!

You havent seen my shop!

johnoder · Apr 23, 2018

If you get I can email you a manual - which is about the slimmest one anyone ever offered

pressbrake1 · Apr 23, 2018

That would be much appreciated. Im guessing the distance between centres to be eight feet, what would the weight estimate be?

johnoder · Apr 23, 2018

My August '46 CW 16 is 102 between centers which makes it 14 feet long. I'd guess just under 7000

pressbrake1 · Apr 29, 2018

I won the auction for less than scrap.Hopefully it isnt scrap!!

pressbrake1 · May 8, 2018

A couple of bad pictures.Also where is the serial number hidden?

Last picture it seems to be a metric machine?

pressbrake1 · May 8, 2018

The gentleman I purchased it from had lots of other cool stuff

My phone pictures are not worth posting but there was half a dozen traction engines a steam wagon old cars bikes machines etc etc

I almost forgot about the lathe

johnoder · May 8, 2018

Thumbnail may find you the data tag with serial, and if not, its right end on top, stamped into machined cast iron in between front vee way and flat way

I'd guess larger of the breed than mine - looks like D1-8" spindle nose - if so, heavier than discussed above

ON EDIT - add thumbnail to show you what the data tag will look like, though their installed location varies. This one is one of very few that got installed cost filled in. $7128.00 would buy you a very nice residence in August of 1937

pressbrake1 · May 9, 2018

Thanks John. I found the number this morning with daylight helping and youre right d1 6

johnoder · May 9, 2018

Not sure about the WAA other than the scanned brochure above is on the W - omitting the obvious C, I guess which everyone understood was the basic design. 7774 is early '41, so a tad bit before Lend Lease I'm thinking. The 487 top end is very common and can be upped at least some with a larger motor pulley and new belts - assuming the bearings are getting oil. I did not trust the flow sight, and took off the lines leading to the spindle bearings to see if oil was actually getting to them. This usually involves an oil shower bath but not too bad if you run it slow.

Thumbnails show impressive innards with massive dog clutches instead of moving gears

Limy Sami · May 9, 2018

Re Lend Lease ;- from March '41 to August '45 .so Pressbrakes Monarch could have been on one of the first boats. (Ref Lend-Lease - Wikipedia)

An old guy I knew (alas no longer with us) got a brand new big Monarch as a ''Christmas Present'' at the British United Shoe Machine Co in Leicester, in 'm sure he told me I'm working from memory here

1941, as it was just after Pearl Harbour, ...........he told me they'd never had lathes of the power, rigidity and accuracy like it and had a 3/4'' sq butt welded HSS, the shank of which had been bent down at 45 deg to prove it, .......he was tearing in to a big steel forging, (for armaments) and thought the lathe could take more.

So being on piece work he wound on more cut and feed, ............the lathe took it, but the tool didn't, ......he swore that Monarch shrugged it off as if to say ''is that the best you can do?''

pressbrake1 · May 9, 2018

I am curious as to why its a fully metric machine? Result for me as its now useful for more than just oil patch and geo work(all inch threads)
It seems to have suffered more from dirt than actual work wear.
Old boy I bought it off is replacing it with a holbrook, now that makes the monarch look light duty!
Funny thing is when I told him , and hes a staunch yorkshire separatist that the holbrook was made in London he was less than impressed, he should have bought a dsg

Tyrone Shoelaces · May 9, 2018

pressbrake1 said:
I am curious as to why its a fully metric machine? Result for me as its now useful for more than just oil patch and geo work(all inch threads)
It seems to have suffered more from dirt than actual work wear.
Old boy I bought it off is replacing it with a holbrook, now that makes the monarch look light duty!
Funny thing is when I told him , and hes a staunch yorkshire separatist that the holbrook was made in London he was less than impressed, he should have bought a dsg

You know the old saying - " You can always tell a Yorkshireman, but you can't tell him much "

Regards Tyrone.

Cole2534 · May 9, 2018

Tyrone Shoelaces said:
You know the old saying - " You can always tell a Yorkshireman, but you can't tell him much "

Regards Tyrone.

I thought that was Brits in general?

TedinNorfolk · May 9, 2018

Yes,it's the muck what does the damage. Nice you got it and the price was right. Wasn't there some sort of traffic between Sidney and Monarch,being close by each other? I've heard Sidney-Monarch quoted before but it might be erroneous.

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