Help with old flat belt lathe ID

Hi guys, looking for some help in figuring out some details on this lathe, I cant seem to find any info at all, I have attached some pics, I can get this for a couple hundred, I would be using it for hobby use

It looks to me like a Seneca Falls lathe.
Gross was a machinery dealer in Toronto and last I knew of was still in business selling C.N.C. machinery .
I used to own one about like the one pictured a long time ago.
There are several members on this forum who have them so if you use the forum search engine and search for Seneca Falls you should find something.
In the mean time some of the other Seneca Falls owners will likely be along before long.
I’m out of time for now.
Regards,
JIm

Thank you very much, I actually searched on youtube and found a few Seneca falls lathes that looked quite a bit like it, I will do a forums search now, thanks

Yes, definitely a Seneca Falls.

Andy

I would say it looks like an Erlich or clone of .

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My Seneca Falls Star Lathe and all other S/F lathes I have seen have the name, model and patent info cast into the front of the lathe bed. Check there--it may be painted over so much that it's hard to read. Yours does have a number of S/F characteristics.

Tom B.

The lathe is 2.5hrs away, just wanted to make sure I was not getting into something of no use before I run down there and its an older gentleman that owns it and just wants rid of it but does not want to help with any info or more pictures lol

That's not an SF. The compound shape and mount are different, the tailstock bed clamp is different, the apron is different. This is a German lathe, Ehrlich.

allan

Whoops- it had me fooled on first glance. I wonder if Erlich copied a Seneca Falls, the way McGregor-Gourlay appears to have copied Lodge & Shipley lathes.

Andy

Andy FitzGibbon said:

Whoops- it had me fooled on first glance. I wonder if Erlich copied a Seneca Falls, the way McGregor-Gourlay appears to have copied Lodge & Shipley lathes.

Andy

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I could be wrong but I thought the other way around ,there was a clone of the Erlich made in the UK called the IXL leader which is how I recognised this one, as I had one as my first lathe when I was 15.

I realized that there were some differences from my Seneca Falls but I thought there may have been different models or changes to them over time.
The similar looking legs and lead screw reverse lever was what fooled me .
I had not remembered reading about Erlich before.
Thanks goes to Tony for his site.
If the lathe is built with components made to metric measurements and has metric fasteners it is a sure sign that it isn’t made in North America.
Regards,
Jim

so I guess the big question is what does anyone figure its worth, all is now is what I have said and what you see in the pictures

It's an old, low speed, spindly cone head lathe. I see no countershaft or motor. As much as I love these old machines (particularly the odd ducks like this one), it is still only 'worth' scrap price.

allan

Like Allan says the only real value is for scrap .
There has been talk on this forum about the legs from old lathes like that selling for $ 100 – $ 200 in the antique or industrial look furniture market.
The chuck may be worth $100 or so depending on the condition if you needed one for another lathe.
If you want a lathe to fix up and do serious work with you will normally have to spend a lot more than that.
For comparison there was some discussion here about another $ 200.00 lathe that you may have seen .
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-history/old-portass-lathe-271479/
If you were wanting a project to restore an an antique lathe to take to shows and fool around with, this one looks to be in better shape than many others I’ve seen and no matter what you buy you don’t get much for $200 any more.
It is probably worth close to $200.00 for what it is but it isn’t a lathe worth $1,000.00 going for a bargain price of $ 200.00
Even when its fixed up and running after many hours work and a long drive to get it I would think it is still only going to bring $ 400 to $600. on a good day .
You can spend $ 200 on trip to a casino and come home with nothing to show for it but at least with the lathe it will still be worth its weight in scrap iron .
That’s my $.02
Regards,
Jim