AMHG help needed in PA
I'm purchasing 6 gear shapers in Scranton PA and need members help with the load out. I'm having trouble finding a forklift rental in the area. I will be running from Dallas TX to Scranton when the weather warms up with a tractor trailer. It will be an open flatbed. I am open to moving some machines along my route on the way up as I will be running empty. All I would ask for is that if you get a machine shipped with me, load and unload would have to be prompt so I can stay on schedule. A little cash to offset my fuel and truck rental costs would be appreciated. The machines are 5 7-type fellows and 1 6-type. If someone nearby could check the machines and lay of the land out for me too I would appreciate it. I am new to the AMHG so if I am out of line I apologize.
Behind the scenes . . .
I am posting to let you all know that I am working on the northern end of nalambright's haul. Commercial shipping seems to be more cost effective at this point, but no decision has been made.
Anyone in Scranton have advice on fork-lift rental? I may be coming up for a visit next week.
P.S.: I am familiar with the Type 6, but any info about the Type 7's would be appreciated, especially weight and variations (Some of them are Type 75.)
How big a forklift do you need? Where in Scranton do you need it?
How big & where ? ? ?
Thanks for posting. I am waiting for more details about the where, but a Fellows Type 6 can weigh from 5,000# to 6,000# depending on the options, so it would be best to use a 6,000# fork-lift. Type 7's are smaller machines, so I think it is safe to assume that they would all be less than 6,000#, but if anyone knows better, please share your information.
I am planning on checking the machines and lay of the land as soon as I know where they are. I'll correspond with you via private message as soon as I hear back from nalambright.
I'm not sure on the weight of a #6, the guess of the rigger who has been working there loading out other machines was about 3800. the #7's are 3300 per the book.
I'd need the forklift at 908 East Elm Street Scranton, PA 18505
Archie has books on the #6, the book should have a weight listed.
Here are some photos of the stuff I got to move
Counting gears . . .
The weight range in post #4 is right out of the Fellows book. I would recommend using a fork-lift with at least 6,000# capacity.
It looks like you have 60 or more change gears from the picture. Change gears for an early Type 6 are 16 DP and 3/4" holes, with a single keyway. 33 change gears are needed to cut the range gears from 10 to 100 teeth:
34, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 52, 54, 56, 58, 60, 62, 64, 66, 68, 70, 72, 90, 96, 100, 108, & 120
In addition there are "pitch change gears", which are also 16 DP and have 7/8" holes: 24, 32, 40, 42, 48, 54, 56, 60, 64, 72, 84, & 96. (These numbers are to the best of my current knowledge.)
I do not yet know about change gears for a Type 7, but I am working on getting a manual for you.
The Type 6 looks much like what we have at Tuckahoe, but a bit later model. If I had to guess, I would say 1920's. Other than the change gears, the only other loose tooling is one gear blank arbor. There seem to be a few cutters mounted on the machines. These go for up to $100 & more on eBay, so one can hope that there cutters in the two boxes pictured.
P.S.: Looking carefully at the picture of the gears, I can see that some of them have the boss on the side where the pitch gears are identified and also that they are a mix of gears with a round hole and single keyway, and the later Fellows tri-lobe bores. The former may fit the Type 6 and the latter the Type 7's.
Lots of change gears are included, but I'm sure a lot don't fit any of the shapers
A few more arbors and a couple of helical cutters. She says the helical cutters are for a machine they already sold, but we'll have to check and see if any of the machines have a helical guide installed.
These 4 pages are all I've found on 7 type shapers. Lots of different models and specs.
Nalambright and Archie ,
One option that I have used before to move machinery that you may well be quite familliar with.
Rather than looking for an industrial forklift rental is to find some one with a Moffett Lift or similar machine
Although the one I am familiar with is only 5,000 lbs capacity
Moffett Truck Mounted Forklifts | Flexible Portable Delivery
They do make them up to8,000 lbs .
Moffett Mounty M8 80.3 - Forklifts | Atlas Polar Company
In Canada, I think that at least some Home Depot stores use these for delivery and I think ,can be available for rental with an operator .
Maybe that would be the case in Scranton.
If not Home Depot perhaps there is a brick and stone , turf or other building supply outlet where you could rent one .
They are easier to move than having to drive a lift for a long distances or float one in from somewhere and you can go almost anywhere with them.
Perhaps a dealer of these machines would know it there might be one avaiable near where you need it.
Atlas Polar Sales and Service Dealers
You can see how it mounts in this video.
YouTube - Chameleon Retractable Tarping System with Trailer-mounted Forklift
and see how it can manouver over rough ground in this one , not that I would recomend experimenting with your machines on board.
YouTube - Moffett M4
I'm not sure how big a deal it is to attach the mounting set up to a standard 40 ft trailer or other heavy truck
If it wasn't a big deal you could perhaps rent one along the way to have with you when you needed it.
Princeton also makes similar machines .
YouTube - Princeton Delivery Systems Piggyback Truck Mounted Forklift
Sent an email to a friend in Scranton regarding the forklift. Will let you know what I learn.
I have a 12000 lb. fork lift that I will be bringing up to that place in a couple of weeks. Therre may be a problem with snow if the weather keeps up as bad as it is now. There is a dock on the one building but I think your gear shapers are in the other building. I have to take a ride up there next week and I will check further on conditions.
If you don't mind me asking, what are you picking up?
the vmc's and some msc stuff.
I just looked at two of my Fellows spec sheets and here are the weights they have listed.
6-Type shaper model range from 61 through 645Y weight given includes machine, compound tank & motor 4950 through 5700 lbs.
6A-Type shaper model range 61A thorugh 645A# weight 6800 through 7450 lbs.
The photo of the 6 shaper almost matches the machine shown in the 6-type spec sheet.
Great machines I had a 615 and 2-7125 shapers.
Hope this helps.
I'd go with a 10-12,000 forklift to play it safe. When I cleared out my step dad's place we had a couple of machines that weighed less than the 8,000 lbs forklift but their size required us getting a bigger lift.
nalambright, check your PM
Cant believe I missed a fellows. Been looking.
Definitely going to hire a flatbed to bring them down. Anyone know any cheap riggers near Scranton?
The machines arrived today
Fired up the #7 and cut my first test gear today.
I have 2 75's, 2 72's, and a 7. I'm not sure which 6 type I've got yet.