Thread: Hendey 4C info wanted

Would anyone out there have a scan of a 4C parts list available for purchase? I have ordered the 4C brochure from lathes UK, but I dont believe that there is a parts list in there.
Thank you

just wondering if you bought this one

Yes I did #29362, I have definetely got a fun project ahead of me! Needs a lot of cleaning. Start by draining the headstock and fixing the leaky sight glasses. Oil leaks really bother me..lol

some pics attached

Pics 3, 4, and 5, can someone tell me, is this a carriage stop mechanism? also I need to make a clutch lever for under the apron ( the hole in pic 5 is where it goes) wish I had drawings of the original clutch lever and the other items in the pics. But I will figure it out

Another question (more to come) for the Hendey experts out there, In this pic there is a lug with a cross hole in it that is part of the bedway casting. Anyone have any idea what it is for? An attachment?

Hendy 4CX42:

I have been away from the shop for about a month and I am way behind in answering questions and PMs. I will answer your PM tomorrow, but
now I will answer your questions in this thread.

A few years before Hendey stop manufacturing the 4C lathe, the supply of brochures was allowed to run out. I have not found any evidence in
the files that a pictorial parts list or any specific parts list was produced. This was the state of affairs when Barber Colman took over Hendey.
Even through they decided not to manufacture the 4C, there was enough demand for some sort of Parts Book. They decided to include a parts list
(a Bill of Materials) for each large assembly drawing sent to a customer. This would allow the customer to determine which repair parts he needed
to order. That is all that remains in the files today.

According to photographs #3,4,5 and 6, your lathe is missing a few parts (all are easy to make). Instead of the Automatic Stop Rod, your lathe
was fitted with a Multiple Automatic Longitudinal Stops. In photograph #6, you are looking at the Automatic Multiple Stop Rod Support Bracket.
Attached to it should be the Stop Rod Support Stud and the Stop Rod Support Link, that is connected to the Automatic Multiple Stop Rod. I think
you get the idea, you are missing at least a dozen parts.

Hendeyman

Thank you for the information sir. I kind of figured that there were parts missing, but happy to know what they were intended for.
Looking forward to your PM
John

Uggh, Why???!!!
Was checking things out with some more information I recieved from Tony of UK Lathes. Thanks Tony!
Anyway, I was checking out where the collar is for doing the multi start threads on the end of the spindle and noticed that not only is there no division collar, it also appears that someone may have cut off the spindle at some point? The way it is now, chips and debris can drop out of the spindle and get into the change gears. Also another question for Hendeyman, it looks like I am missing a bracket from the back of the lathe for that multi stop attachment you mentioned above. If you or anyone else hears about a 4C being scrapped out I would love to get some of these parts that I cant easily make.
Thanks

not having any luck inserting the pics, I will try again later..sorry
ahh...a little bit too large

It is ALIVE! It is now running, and damn it sure is smooth. But I have a couple of questions.
I drained/flush/refilled the headstock and I filled it right to the line on the sight glass. Is this where the level is supposed to be at rest or when its running? Cool thing was it took exactly 1 gallon to get to the mark!

Next questions are electrical, It has a 5HP 3phase motor running from a RPC. From the RPC to a 20 amp, fused safety disconnect, from there to a drum switch and on to the motor.
I would like to change the drum switch to a 3 button, For/Off/Reverse switch like it had originally. I want to do this without using a magnetic starter, just some simple push button switches. I have enough electrical knowledge to wire my own house but thats about the extent of it. What I need to know is what type of switches am I looking for? Rated for 5HP @ 240V?
I need one for forward, one for reverse, and a red e-stop button.
All I can figure out is that they need to be a maintained contact. What other designations am I needing to get the correct switches? 3 pole single throw or something different? A link to the correct schematic maybe?
Every post I read or scematic I look at seems to have the magnetic starter in the circuit but it just seems to me that if I can use a drum switch without a magnetic starter that I ought to be able to find button switches that will work. Is it an issue of amperage? The motor is rated at 15 amps.
Would N.O. for both the forward and reverse switch and N.C. for the stop switch be correct? Anybody have the part numbers.

Now, I got to find that gentleman that makes the L-1 spanner wrenches on here.
Thanks for any help.

Originally Posted by Hendy 4CX42

It is ALIVE! It is now running, and damn it sure is smooth. But I have a couple of questions.
I drained/flush/refilled the headstock and I filled it right to the line on the sight glass. Is this where the level is supposed to be at rest or when its running? Cool thing was it took exactly 1 gallon to get to the mark!

Next questions are electrical, It has a 5HP 3phase motor running from a RPC. From the RPC to a 20 amp, fused safety disconnect, from there to a drum switch and on to the motor.
I would like to change the drum switch to a 3 button, For/Off/Reverse switch like it had originally. I want to do this without using a magnetic starter, just some simple push button switches.

It would be FAR better if you can to gain an understanding of the original functionality and restore it as much as is possible. It has more than a simple ON OFF duty. All that is in the general field of motor controls, not Hendey specific, and plenty of suitable parts are still current or in surplus channels.

A short read here should get you started:

Motor controller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Contactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Motor Starter Wiring Diagrams - VintageMachinery.org Knowledge Base (Wiki)

Plenty more on PM, some of it machine-specific, others not.

Bill

I would like to change the drum switch to a 3 button, For/Off/Reverse switch like it had originally. I want to do this without using a magnetic starter, just some simple push button switches

Sorry, isn't happening. Simple (and small) push button switches were capable of operating the coil circuits in a reversing magnetic starter - which has a pair of coils and a pair of mechanically linked contactors.

In that way, the contactor contacts could be sized to the motor current requirements. In fact, mag starters come in "sizes" - 00 through at least 6. Your 5HP needs a size 1 for that 240 voltage.

In fact, mag starters come in "sizes" - 00 through at least 6. Your 5HP needs a size 1 for that 240 voltage.

This is the stuff I need to know. Does it need to be a reversing starter?

Does it need to be a reversing starter?

Only if you want it to run backwards now and again.

Thank you for the info and the links, very helpful. Its all starting to clear up for me

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Elimia-Rever...item1e6e74288d

They arent exactly giving away the reversing starters on ebay are they?

I'm thinking that the apron feed reversing lever on the 4C needs a new key, there is a lot of throw in the lever before anything happens.
It looks like I can get the lever to drop off of its shaft if i run the carriage far enough towards the end of the bed.
Questions; When I take off the screw/shafts end bracket, will the apron hold the shafts up well enough to do this?
Or does the whole shaft need to come out? (not looking forward to that right now, or ever really)
Has anyone else needed to do this?

UPDATE; I see there is a lower end bracket, got the 2 screws out from the back side, now there is a dowel pin to get out. or cut it?

UPDATE; the pin was soft I cut it. Lever is off, mission accomplished