Your photos are welcome. Man, do we all like pictures of related to this forum stuff. But help us out here. If your photo as posted hangs over the side of your computer monitor screen, well, it is too big. If you have to scroll to see it, everybody else does too. Fix it right then and there before you post another photo - please.

Copying and pasting long links here in the new forum automatically shortens them, so you don't have to learn how to use something like the URL feature on the old forum just to make a long link short so it won't scroll way accross the page.

On Edit: Sent this out to a member that said he did not know how to put a link in a post. Use it to educate as needed:

Howdy

Do you know how to copy and paste on your computer?

With ebay (or other page) open, go to top of screen and you will see an address line. Every page you ever opened on your computer while on the internet has a unique address line.

Left mouse click on that line and it will turn blue.

Right mouse click and a box will open. One of the choices in that box will be "copy". Click on that.

The address line is copied to your computer.

In the thread you are typing on Practical Machinist, just left click where you want the link to appear. Right click and the little box will open again. This time, click on paste.

The link to the Ebay page (or any other) will be in your post. You will know if you did it right by it being blue when you preview or submit what you are typing. "Blue" links are "live" links.

John

Real good from Paula on posting photos:

Posting Pictures on the South Bend Forum

MrChruchill109 pointed out you could stick small images right in I.E., not hosted by Photobucket or the like - let's try it:

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Thread opened for posting links to books and similar info. Kindly leave off commentary and chit chat replies. If you have a link to related information feel free to post it here.

John Oder

1877
http://books.google.com/books?id=z9s...age&q=&f=false

1883
http://books.google.com/books?id=pPx...age&q=&f=false

1884
http://books.google.com/books?id=mG1...age&q=&f=false

1895
http://books.google.com/books?id=EEh...age&q=&f=false

Rob

1893
http://books.google.com/books?id=ydY...age&q=&f=false

Rob

1891
http://books.google.com/books?id=Jmc...age&q=&f=false

1898
http://books.google.com/books?id=72U...age&q=&f=false

1900
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ut8...age&q=&f=false

Rob

Joshua Rose's Modern Machine Shop Practice 1887 which is a bit difficult to tease out of the website at University of Michigan.

http://archive.lib.msu.edu/DMC/Appli...rnmachine1.pdf
and http://archive.lib.msu.edu/DMC/Appli...rnmachine2.pdf

Note that this book appeared in three different hard copy versions of which this is the first. Hard copies typically go for $100 to $400 depending on the condition. Some rough copies of part 1 or part 2 alone go for $20 on Ebay.

Rose also sold "folios" (Chapters) of MMSP apparently as an adjunct to his self education "tutoring" sideline.

On purchase of parts to achieve a matched set, BE SURE to verify the start/finish of the part chapters before purchase. With so many variations of the two volume set published, Rose would bind together individual "quartos" together as parts simply to make a complete set: it's possible to inadvertently purchase a part one with the last chapter the same as the first chapter in part 2.

Note: these are the books which captivated me to antique machine tools as a 14 year old.

Joe in NH

"The 1880 Census report" more familiarly known (?) as "Report on Power and Machinery used in Manufactures" by Prof. W.P. Trowbridge, Chief Special Agent.

See http://books.google.com/books?id=LvM...ctures&f=false

Interesting wood cut laden descriptive text of woodworking and metalworking machine tools, power, including steam and water power, the American Ice Industry, and marine transport industries including steamships.

Really a snap-shot description of machine tools 1880 and fills in the few gaps that Rose left in his MMSP.

Available reprinted complete hardcover from Lindsay Publications in the 1980s, the book has been issued a couple of times since either complete soft or in pertinent sections. Currently out of print.

Joe in NH

"Industrial Worcester" by Charles Grenville Washburn. Seen at

http://books.google.com/books?id=BBI...age&q=&f=false

A rather undisciplined overlook to the industrial development Worcester, MA starting in the 1820s and extending up until the publishing of this book in 1917. Most major companies are mentioned to include not only machine tools but hand tools, envelope machines, the grinding and grindstone industry, the cloth processing industry, and early electric power generation.

The book tends to the rare in real life. I've seen one for sale on www.abebooks.com since my entry to the internet in the 1990s. Prices run $80 plus. Most major city and university libraries include this compendium.

Joe in NH

"English & American Tool Builders" by Joseph Wickham Roe.

http://books.google.com/books?id=7HE...age&q=&f=false

Probably the first real examination of the tool building industry in the United States, the book does a masterful job also on the English roots of the American industrial revolution.

It is thought that Roe worked closely with Washburn and probably relied heavily on notes Washburn prepared earlier for his own book. The included "flow charts" showing the narrow progression of the tool industries are uniquely Roe, however. We marvel at these today showing how few people actually contributed improvements to the industry.

The book has been reprinted by Lindsay Publications in both hardcover and soft in the 1980s. Currently out of print. A couple of lone copies remain on www.abebooks.com.

Joe in NH

"Knights American Mechanical Dictionary" by Edward H. Knight exists in two forms.

1876 exists at http://books.google.com/books?id=g2T...ictionary&cd=3

This is the larger of the two and the articles/illustrations tend to be more descriptive. But the scope is limited.

1881 exists at http://books.google.com/books?id=Zh_...ictionary&cd=2

A wider scope, but Knight is challenged to go into any particular depth. He does provide references in period literature, however. Getting to these can be a challenge for most major city and university libraries.

The 1876 version was reprinted in the 1980s by the Midwest Tool Collectors Association.

Period copies are frequently seen on both Ebay and www.abebooks.com. Complete sets of the three book 1876 version sell for upward of $400 bound in leather. Paper/boards binding perhaps $200-$250 depending on condition. Incomplete/damaged sets for considerably less.

Joe in NH

"Appleton's Cyclopedia of Applied Mechanics" by Benjamin Park

A book very similar to the Knight books mentioned above. MANY variations of this book with 1880 perhaps the earliest. Commonly printed up to 1900 and possibly beyond.

Can be seen at http://books.google.com/books?id=Rkk...Mechanics&cd=1

Same comments. Period copies are frequently seen on both Ebay and www.abebooks.com. Complete sets of the two book 1880 version sell for upward of $400 bound in leather. Paper/boards binding perhaps $200-$250 depending on condition. Incomplete/damaged sets for considerably less.

Joe in NH

"Worcester, City of Prosperity" by Donald Tulloch. A book prepared for the 1914 16th annual National Metal Trades Association Meeting held at the Bancroft Hotel in Worcester that outlines the industrial origins of the city for the visitors.

Unfortunately not yet on www.books.google.com or as scan copy, but does exist in text only at http://www.archive.org/stream/worces...0tull_djvu.txt

The book reprises much of what has already been revealed regarding Worcester Industrial History but does go into greater detail particularly on Joseph Flather and others.

Not reprinted but readily available on Ebay or www.abebooks.com. (They must have made a WHOLE BUNCH of these as they sell for as little as $10 now nearly a hundred years after they were first printed.)

Joe in NH

Early Machinery Reference Books

The exhibited machinery of 1862. A cyclopedia of the machinery represented at the international exhibition. D.K. Clark

Mostly British (a war was going on). Extensive, includes Railroad, textile, iron, wood, stone…… If you can’t find something in here to add to your want list, you don’t like old iron! Great reference to look at machine development and those single purpose machines (like a file cutter). Lots of early slotters and shapers, lathes.........Section on steam engines, hydraulics, even diving apparatus. I wish I had a copy of this in the john. Many hundreds of illustrations.

http://books.google.com/books?id=i9E...0lathe&f=false

Machinery Magazine, Index and issues to Vol XIX (volume 19), Sept 1912-Aug 1913
This is great, not only for the articles, but for the advertisements.
http://books.google.com/books?id=AaM...0lathe&f=false

The Complete Practical Machinist. Joshua Rose.
“the forefather of this forum?”
Embracing Lathe Work, Vise Work, Drills and Drilling, Taps and Dies, Hardening and Tempering, The Making and Use of Tools, Tool Grinding, Marking Out Work, etc.
1st Edition, 1876 http://books.google.com/books?id=V80...ge&q=&f=false.
15th edition, 1887 http://books.google.com/books?id=wxF...age&q=&f=false

The Operative Mechanic and British Machinist. 1831. Josh Nicholson. 2nd American Edition Very Early Work (1831). Gives a good idea how the term "machinist" might have narrowed in its definition during the 19th century.
http://books.google.com/books?id=C4J...age&q=&f=false

1878
http://books.google.com/books?id=Pk1...age&q=&f=false

courtesy of Joe in NH

Rob

Your links are to the library of the Michigan State Agricultural College, E. Lansing, MI (see rubber stamp on title page of Vol. 1). The school is now known as Michigan State University, or Moo U to people like me who graduated from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, MI. MSU is still strong in agriculture, whereas U 0f M is known for medicine, law, engineering and most everything else. The best part of MSU is the on-campus ice cream shop run as part of the school's dairy program. They make great cheese, too.

I found the above links did not work, but I was able to figure out how to follow the string in the labyrinth and get to the Rose. I have an original copy of the books, too. They are great books.

I will try inserting fresh links and see if it will work now. Edit: My links work, at least for now.

http://archive.lib.msu.edu/DMC/Appli...rnmachine1.pdf

http://archive.lib.msu.edu/DMC/Appli...rnmachine2.pdf

Bonus link from the same collection, The Advanced Machinist by Rogers, 1903:

http://archive.lib.msu.edu/DMC/Appli...dmachinist.pdf

Larry

Thanks on that Larry Vanice. Sometimes these libraries that keep these links updated look on their websites as "job security."

Now if I could get to those Fred Colvin historical pix at Case Western. They relocate those things in the 'Web about twice a year.

Joe