To clarify, Monarch started in 1909 in Sidney Ohio. In 1963 they bought the Edlund Corp, and in 1968 built the new plant in Cortland. In 1973 Monarch bought Dean Smith and Grace, and Sometime in the late '60's bought Stamco. Around 1994 Monarch bought the assets of Lodge and Shipley, and about the same time closed DS&G. The lathe division in Sidney was sold to Lucas and became Monarch Lathe LP. Monarch Machine Tool became Geniuses World Wide, and the Cortland plant being named Monarch Machine Tool, which Geniuses sold off in 2000. Geniuses World Wide then went bankrupt in 2002.
Sidney Machine was never owned by Monarch or Lucas. The rights to Sidney is own by a company in PA.
Confusion was caused by Monarch named thier divisions by their location, thus Monarch Sidney and Monarc Cortland.
Today Monarch Lathe still shows the EE on their web site, but also show selling Eurpean machines on their web site, and Monarch Machine Tool is doing the same. I would like to know the ownership of Monarch Machine tool and where they are located right now, since they have sold their factory to Prytec (sp).
Originally Posted by Joe Michaels
Monarch was always a big player in Exports. From their early days, they hit the export market hard and developed a world wide network early in their history. This paid huge during the first world war and even more before the second.
Yes,and the Nazi machine shops were full of Pratt & Whitney lathes and other USA stuff,too.
this is on my 1945 Reed Prentice lathe.... with all the talk of the war production board i just thought it was relevant haha
Hmm..that's weird about Genesis World Wide. I just worked at Herr Voss Stamco in Callery, PA for a brief stint last year, producing the industrial rolls, and the company that owns Herr Voss Stamco is Genesis World Wide
Originally Posted by Marty Feldman
Those Weiler's are the bee's knees! I ran one in Texas for a while making oil drilling equipment (API threads and such). I have never run such a user-friendly conversationally programmed CNC lathe before that was so easy to create complex geometry or just run like a manual
Originally Posted by Zonko
That would be Genesis Worldwide II, Inc. - the reorganized version of Genesis World Wide that emerged out of banktruptcy. Genesis Worldwide reorganization of the Monarch Machine Tool company, and with Monarch Cortland as the March Machine tool division, Stamco, Stamco UK, and couple German companies. Genesis bought Herr Voss around 2000 just before the market tanked, which created too high of a debt load and sank them. On the way down they sold off everything expect the coil processing companies (which was their man focuse), but they did not generate enough cash to stop their slide into Bankrutpcy. On a side note, the president of Genesis was forced out, and he went to Bridgeport Machine, as president and rode that ship into bankruptcy.
Originally Posted by Putch
I wonder how many lathes those 483 employees would make in a year, and how many guys it would take to make the same number of machine tools today.
I know that Haas is making something like 100 machines a month in Oxnard, in a million square foot factory that has 300 CNC machines making parts for machine tools in it. I wonder if they have more or less than 483 employees?
I know they have something like 40 job openings posted right now. So they are expanding, and hiring.
My guess is that the number of employees per machine is less than monarch in the 30's, and the complexity of the machines is higher as well.
I wonder if the complexity of a CNC machine is higher than a manual Monarch lathe. The CNC machine has fewer gears, fewer mechanism parts (as in the quick change gear box, and apron). Monarch made the parts in house, using production machine tools with human operators. A manual Monarch lathe had a lot more smaller parts, a lot more castings, and a lot more individual production machining operations done using jigs and fixtures. Something like a Haas CNC machine would use a lot of off-the-shelf components like motors for feed drives, ball screws and nuts, scales and readers, etc. What Monarch did with changes of gears (as in a headstock or QCG box), Haas likely does with various motor drives and CNC.
Monarch had things figured out in their plant, and there was probably a high productivity rate amongst the employees. As onerous as sitting at a gang drill running parts thru with a drill jig, or feeding parts thru a production mill sounds, people did it day in and day out and did the job well. No sitting with a Disc Man or similar, no air conditioned shops. Just work, get the work out, and punch the clock with a production ticket. Different times, different work ethic. Maybe a piecework rate or bonus, maybe a good union contract in the shop and a company ethic. It was different era, and people were members of unions in a lot of the machine tool plants. They worked at jobs the modern generations would consider boring, in conditions the modern generation would not tolerate. They bought homes, sent their kids on to college, paid their bills, went on union picnics and company picnics or bowled on company teams. If the management set up a pedestal fan in summer to blow a breeze down the aisle in the shop, this was big doings. A guy might move up from the production machine tools to something a little better. Plenty more people stayed where they were, running production machine tools doing one specific operation. Something like putting a part into a drill jig took care, get the part put in with a chip against it and the hole locations would be off.... If a drill dulled and walked off center, despite the jig, these were the kinds of things that caused a job to be rejected by the inspector. People worked at hand scraping, and they used to brag about getting the chips to come off smoking when they rough scraped machine ways. People worked hard, did not know any different conditions or lesser ethic, and the lathes got built well. Look at the pictures taken in the Hendey plant.
Haas has a new plant, probably air conditioned. CNC machine tools used in making the new Haas CNC machining centers. Are the employees as "involved" or having the same sort of stick-to-it or pride or company loyalty or ethic as the people at Monarch ? Maybe not. An employee with a Disc Man in his/her ear is not going to have the same ways of making the job happen and time pass as someone who was sitting in an un airconditioned shop with a pedestal fan blasting air down the aisle and the mist of soluble oil in the air, savoring a few moments leaned against the shop wall at break and joking with other employees or talking about simple things like a vegetable garden or fishing vs what s--t they bought at the mall or the latest big screen TV they just have to have. SOme of Monarch's employees were on union committees, and dealt with management "accross the table" and agreed on contracts. They had a stake in things, and there was respect on both sides of the aisle. In today's world, that kind of respect and loyalty simply do not exist. Listen to a disc on the Disc Man, punch a button on the CNC machining center, and don;t give a s--t about the company or the job.
Sorry if I am cynical. I come from the breed who had the fans blasting in the shop in summer, and the noise, heat and mist of cutting oils in the air permeating our clothing and skin. If the foreman handed us a quart of beer at afternoon break, told me I was doing a good job at break time in front of the older hands, and the shop steward joked with the foreman and we all shared a laugh, it was something we all felt good about. Simpler and different times, but that is going back about 45 years.
My guess is Haas takes care of their employees, and the productivity HAS to be higher given the use of CNC machining centers. Haas machine tools are probably NOT as complex as Monarch's lathes, and probably do NOT require anywhere near the degree of hand fitting and assembly that Monarch required. Different times, different breed of employee, different class of work. A light-year of difference, Apples and Oranges, IMO.
It must have been real sad at the end. I have an 1968 Ingersoll planer mill that came out of Monarch in Sidney. Originally it was at Fairbanks Morse, so Monarch bought it used. It was filthy and not maintained, definitely not in a condition one would expect form a machine tool builder. I was truly amazed at some of the things I found. I bought it already apart but it was obvious Monarch put it right on the floor with no foundation from how it was wired, and it is 100' long! I did get a bunch of photos showing castings set up on it. They appear to be taken for reference. Probably some of the last photos ever taken from in the plant. The photo is the mill new at Ingersoll in 1968.
This country has lost more industry than most ever had.
I'll bet Monarch had a modern (for the day) facility, very serious, built w/o compromise. Can't imagine them cranking out the machines they did in with a drafty ill-lit shop- American Tool built a snazzy building in 1917 to up their game (note bottom of page), unclear if it was climate controlled back then but it was by WW2- or at least the "important" parts were.