32" G&E Shaper Owners, Looking for a part to Copy

Abom79 · Jan 15, 2018

I am missing the plate and screw that bolts to the side of the machine that actuates the auto down-feed cam on the ram. Looks to be a simple flat plate with an angle milled on it, and a t-bolt type screw to hold it on.
If anyone with this machine has this part, I'd love to borrow it for a short time to copy it, or send pictures and dimensions to me.

One other part I'm missing is the crank handle that adjusts the stroke. I can build one no problem but would love to see a picture of the factory handle.

My email is [email protected]

Thanks!

cretedog · Jan 15, 2018

Pics of the handle for my 24" G&E below Abom. 9/16" square. 1-1/4" diameter @ square boss.

Richard King · Jan 16, 2018

Used Gear Machines | CNC Retrofitting | RP Machine bought the inventory of G&E Gear machines years ago. Not sure they would have anything but worth a phone call.

Abom79 · Jan 16, 2018

Yep, I called them late last year and the guy said they have no shaper parts.

Abom79 · Jan 16, 2018

cretedog said:
Pics of the handle for my 24" G&E below Abom. 9/16" square. 1-1/4" diameter @ square boss.

View attachment 217913
View attachment 217912
View attachment 217914
View attachment 217915
View attachment 217917

Thank you! Exactly what I was needing. Now I'm trying to find a good used 9/16" broach.

Paolo_MD · Jan 16, 2018

Abom79 said:
Thank you! Exactly what I was needing. Now I'm trying to find a good used 9/16" broach.

Or, maybe, you could use the very shaper.

Paolo

johnoder · Jan 16, 2018

Crank I made for the 36" Ohio - for the cross feed

Abom79 · Jan 16, 2018

Richard King said:
Used Gear Machines | CNC Retrofitting | RP Machine bought the inventory of G&E Gear machines years ago. Not sure they would have anything but worth a phone call.

I contacted them again today and they said they have no information on the shaper, including drawings.

Monarchist · Jan 16, 2018

Abom79 said:
I contacted them again today and they said they have no information on the shaper, including drawings.

My 12" Sheldon shaper dealt me a bit of luck. 1/2" square rather than 9/16".

I had a female to female 1/2" square socket "coupler" in my Hell box. Hand or air ratchet of choice has done the rest.

I just ran a search for you on 4-point and 8-point sockets you could weld to a handle. No joy in 9/16".

Update. Found one:

APEX 5618 9/16'' Standard Impact Socket, For Single Square Nuts, 1/2'' Square Drive

Only downside is shallower depth - 7/16" - than the "though" coupler I use.

Still, open up the back side and weld it to a handle instead of using the 1/2" drive side? Or do that, and "stack" a second one back of it for TWO 7/16" long grip areas?

Mayhap a longer search could find a deeper one for square nuts. Seems it is the 9/16" that is uncommon in square.

Abom79 · Jan 16, 2018

Monarchist said:
My 12" Sheldon shaper dealt me a bit of luck. 1/2" square rather than 9/16".

I had a female to female 1/2" square socket "coupler" in my Hell box. Hand or air ratchet of choice has done the rest.

I just ran a search for you on 4-point and 8-point sockets you could weld to a handle. No joy in 9/16".

Update. Found one:

APEX 5618 9/16'' Standard Impact Socket, For Single Square Nuts, 1/2'' Square Drive

Only downside is shallower depth - 7/16" - than the "though" coupler I use.

Still, open up the back side and weld it to a handle instead of using the 1/2" drive side? Or do that, and "stack" a second one back of it for TWO 7/16" long grip areas?

Mayhap a longer search could find a deeper one for square nuts. Seems it is the 9/16" that is uncommon in square.

Today I ordered some Proto 8 point impact sockets in 9/16" size. Only downfall is that it's limited on depth. I'll use these to get me by and I am buying a broach from a forum member with one for sale. I'd like to build one as a project for the channel later.

Monarchist · Jan 16, 2018

Abom79 said:
Today I ordered some Proto 8 point impact sockets in 9/16" size. Only downfall is that it's limited on depth. I'll use these to get me by and I am buying a broach from a forum member with one for sale. I'd like to build one as a project for the channel later.

The shaft on my shaper has slightly chamfered, round'ish corners, so I'm not sure an 8-point will serve as well as a 4-point if yours is similar.

"Back in the day" a couple of my JR HS / SR HS classmates in Industrial Arts where really into blacksmithing, ornamental Iron and farrier work, could have hot forged us square sleeves, and rather quickly.

Blazemaster · Jan 16, 2018

I have been cleaning up a 16" G&E and used an 8 point socket on the shafts since the original handle was missing. It isn't quite chewed up but I stopped using it, it was damaging the shaft because of the 8 points rather than 4 and the shallow depth.

Abom79 · Jan 16, 2018

Blazemaster said:
I have been cleaning up a 16" G&E and used an 8 point socket on the shafts since the original handle was missing. It isn't quite chewed up but I stopped using it, it was damaging the shaft because of the 8 points rather than 4 and the shallow depth.

I gotta have something now if I want to adjust the stroke. The square shaft is tucked away inside so no getting it with a wrench. It'll work.

Monarchist · Jan 16, 2018

Abom79 said:
I gotta have something now if I want to adjust the stroke. The square shaft is tucked away inside so no getting it with a wrench. It'll work.

AFAIK, "Budd" truck wheel square fasteners do not exist in 9/16", but I've been wrong before, plenty of times. Might check a decent truck/heavy equipment supply for four-pointers - similar to that one I linked - that you could have same-day.

Paolo_MD · Jan 16, 2018

Probably I'm completely off-base. But, how hard would be to drill 9/16 a piece of mild steel, and square the hole with a reasonably-small end mill (1/8"-3/16") and "sharpen" the corners as needed with a file?
Especially with the "proper tooling" already on the way to make the ultimate crank, I have the feeling that we're wasting way too much time chatting and browsing Internet, while the problem could be easily solved in an hour or two in the shop.
Another possible alternative (inspired by Monarchist's schoolmates) would be to find a fairly thin-walled piece of pipe with internal diameter close to .720" and square the end of it with a vise and/or an hammer.

Paolo

Monarchist · Jan 16, 2018

Paolo_MD said:
Probably I'm completely off-base. But, how hard would be to drill 9/16 a piece of mild steel, and square the hole with a reasonably-small end mill (1/8"-3/16") and "sharpen" the corners as needed with a file?
Especially with the "proper tooling" already on the way to make the ultimate crank, I have the feeling that we're wasting way too much time chatting and browsing Internet, while the problem could be easily solved in an hour or two in the shop.
Another possible alternative (inspired by Monarchist's schoolmates) would be to find a fairly thin-walled piece of pipe with internal diameter close to .720" and square the end of it with a vise and/or an hammer.

Paolo

IF.. and I know not, for sure, but it IS "typical", that shaft on Adam's shaper is similar to mine, the corners do not even need to be square. The shaft has clearance chamfers/flats/rounding. The "socket" will be stronger if it does NOT have fully squared corners.

That makes the socket drillpress work or plunge end-mill work, with critical diameter used for the four corners to clear the flats at the shaft corners, but only just barely so.

The rest is then milling or chain-drilling + filing in between.

Flatted pipe just won't get it done for very long - if at all - on even a smaller and lighter shaper.

Ohio Mike · Jan 16, 2018

Abom79 said:
I contacted them again today and they said they have no information on the shaper, including drawings.

I don't know why I'm thinking the G&E Shaper product line went to another company during one of the sales... Does that ring a bell with anyone?

Do you have a manual? I know the DoD Tech Manual from the Mitts & Merrill era is floating around.

BobH · Jan 17, 2018

I was looking for dimensions of the downfeed ramp for my "little" 16" G&E and I got exactly what I needed here http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-and-history/new-g-e-shaper-needs-part-283352/ . I'd bet it's the same size for all the G&E shapers, take a look. BTW I still haven't made mine so if you need to make one, drop me a note. I'd like to bounce a few ideas off you. Bob

Michael Edwards · Jan 17, 2018

Ohio Mike said:
Do you have a manual? I know the DoD Tech Manual from the Mitts & Merrill era is floating around.

http://www.eurospares.com/graphics/Tools/shapers/TM 9-3418 Shaper.pdf

ME

JBroadnax74 · Jan 18, 2018

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-and-history/new-g-e-shaper-needs-part-283352/

32" G&E Shaper Owners, Looking for a part to Copy

Stainless

Hot Rolled

Diamond

Stainless

Stainless

Stainless

Diamond

Attachments

Stainless

Diamond

Stainless

Diamond

Hot Rolled

Stainless

Diamond

Stainless

Diamond

Titanium

Aluminum

Cast Iron

Plastic

Similar threads