Hi

Picking up a 2H this weekend - trying to make room in the shop for it. Checking to see if someone can tell me the approximate footprint from rear-most part of the base to the handle, and possibley make a recommendation for what to leave for a space between the machine and a wall ?

Thanks - Regards, Steve

60.25" 2H Plain Hor. Overarms extend out of column about 22" when fully back so you would not want the base so close to wall that the overarms bang into the wall.

Vertical would be different having no overarms, but you neglected to mention Hor./Vert.

John Oder

Thanks John- it is a horizontal. Pics attached -

Any suggestions on chasing down a manual ?

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All I ever came up with for the 2CH was a parts book, but I do know Giddings & Lewis owned the rights and reprinted manuals about 10 years ago.

There are also some to be found now and then on such as Ebay, and even here in the commericial section.

John Oder

I've got an original K&T 2H Repair Parts Manual.I've offered it so many times I finally gave up and stashed it somewhere around here.

Now how did I miss that hmmmm I must have been a sleep......

Paul

I PM'd Ray on the manual - if I can get hold of it I can get it scanned into .pdf and send it along to folks.

Made the move yesterday - one of three that were on Craig's that a buddy of mine and I went in on. 3800 lbs is a lot more impressive in person then in text ! Still need to move the other two, starting to think my wife may be right about my sanity chasing iron around...

Machine was running before going into storage since 2004, including a stint outside under cover. Took some swats at it with still wool, not finding any rust to speak of.

Based on a prior post I'm going to drain the oil reservoirs and kerosene flush it. is DTE 26 OK ?

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My 2CH has tags stating Socony Vacuum DTE Heavy Medium - which is where Exxon Mobil DTE Heavy Medium came from.

John Oder

Steve, if it's still easy to get to the door. (or further), remove the two large screens in the base and remove the small casting on the base, back of machine, will have a plug in it.

This maximizes access to the coolant well. Tilt the machine up in back, down in front and work a pressure washer in the back, driving the gunk up and out of the two holes that were screened. Evacuate the remainder with a shop vac.

.....unless, you got the only K & T that wasn't crammed with decades of crud.
Nasty but feels good when it's done.

Oh yeah, I'd be pleased to buy a copy of the manual.

Bob

I was beginning to wonder if mine had remnants of jimmie hoffa in it... Or maybe decayed remains of godzilla.. WHAT A NASTY MESS! Mike

yeah - guess I'll join the club on that - a lot of it spilled out during the crane lift, surprised how much is still in there.

Drained the column and knee tonight, just a small amount of sludge in the knee, the column oil looks great. Hopefully flush it tommorrow.

Haven't found a drain plug for the saddle - is there one or is it fed from the column or knee reservoir ?

My 2CH saddle (hydraulic rapids) has a fill plug and one shot plunger left front, but since it leaks out the site glass, I have never looked for a drain plug.

John Oder

The X and Y axis for the table and saddle are fed by a pump on the right side of the knee.This pump also feeds various lub lines within the knee itself.The lub lines for the saddle and table snake through the casting to the appropriate destinations inoder to do their job.These passages are threaded with cotton pipe cleaners much like grandpa used to use to clean his pipe.Over the years the wire in these things becomes rusted and deteriorates leaving rust soak cotton which needs to come out inorder to get oil to where it's needed.You'll never know just how well the pump works until you've cleaned these passages and you won't know what frustration truely is until you do.Ask someone who's done it,TWICE!!Check that.Three times.

Thanks Ray - probably explains why the carriage didn't drain out when I emptied the knee and column.

Will keep plugging away at - appreciate everyone's support

I may still have a copy of my manuals, both parts and operations/maint. for my 2H that I made for someone on this board in the past. I will look for them tonight. For future referance, when lifting from above, the approved way is to use an approppriate rope sling (modern nylon web sling is ok as well. No Chains) that is wrapped around the over arms front and back and choked over the front of the casting. I say this as I noticed your webbing around the column just under the spindle. Lifting here could cause softhing to be bent. Also the weight given in the manual is just under 5,000lbs.

Thanks Arff - Ray sent me a part manual, operator manual would be great

Appreciate comments on the sling, we actually lifted it as you recommended. Strap in the pic was for a come-along we used to keep the mill from sliding out of the tilt trailer - we had it on bar stock and I didn't want a runaway...

Had to stop work on it due to travel, hoping to get back to cleaning it up over the holidays - can't wait to tackle the coolant sump !

Need to get a rotary converter to run it, can only run 3HP right now.