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    Default K&T Dividing head

    I have a Model 2CH horizontal mill, and the chance to acquire a model K dividing head. 50 NMTB taper spindle 5:1 ratio... etc. Not the more typical Model H head

    Seller tells me the model K head is huge, but the seller isn't what I would call a machinery expret, more of a junk dealer.

    What can ask the seller to measure that would indicate if this head is suitable for my machine?

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    It's a big en, my H model dividing head with a 6" chuck weighs 75-80 pounds and that is likely half the weight of a K

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    What can ask the seller to measure that would indicate if this head is suitable for my machine?
    Model K (hypoid) heads came in 10, 12 and 14" swings. The 2CH needs a 10" swing, but as far as I know it was made for the Model H head. The #2 K mill, for which the 10" K head was made, weighed a little less than twice as much as a #2H / 2CH

    The bare Model K 10" head weighs 130 lbs, the 12" 175 and the 14" 245.

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    All the Model K heads I have seen have 8" (or so) plates. The Model H 40:1 head has a gear cover on top, at least here.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...er/KTHDH01.jpg

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    Hello: I have never seen a head like this one.. It is as John said the model H has a gear cover on top... Also the model K has a locking lever on top..Can you find a number anywhere on this head? I am curious as to exactly what type it is.. Mike

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    Ramsay

    Here is a photo with what looks like a typical K&T number. I'm sorry I didn't
    post it the first time.
    Thank you for your interest, I hope you can help identify it.

    Thanks again.

    Michael

    http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/a...p/IMG_1109.jpg

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    12" Model H heads lot of 15 completed December 1955. Clearly the H head got redesigned along the way

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    Talking Dividing Head

    Quote Originally Posted by johnoder View Post
    12" Model H heads lot of 15 completed December 1955. Clearly the H head got redesigned along the way

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    Hi all: I thought the H dividing head came in 8" and 10" sizes.. This is a first for me for sure.. Mike

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    I thought the H dividing head came in 8" and 10" sizes.
    You are right Mike, at least looking in the late thirties catalog.

    In the same catalog the 3H and 4H Universal mills are shown with Model K heads, at least they appear so with big plates and no gear cover on top.

    I suppose later there were a few larger Model H (redesigned) heads made, but this is the only one I have ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnoder View Post
    You are right Mike, at least looking in the late thirties catalog.

    In the same catalog the 3H and 4H Universal mills are shown with Model K heads, at least they appear so with big plates and no gear cover on top.

    I suppose later there were a few larger Model H (redesigned) heads made, but this is the only one I have ever seen.

    John Oder
    My book shows the model K heads starting with the #3 mills.. I wish I could make a 10" model K work with my 2h plain..
    I love the 5:1 hypoid setup as I had a 14" model K sometime back but it was just too big for anything I have..
    I have a model H ten inch dividing head that I usually use on my 2hl universal in conjunction with a low lead attachment..Just wish I could go to 5:1 indexing.. Mike

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    Hello: Looks like a Model H dividing head.. Mod K has hypoid gears and is 5:1 whereas the Mod H is 40:1.. Give me the serial number and I can tell you exactly what you have and when it was made.. Why is the head disassembled? Just curious.. Mike

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    I already identified it.

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    Ramsay;

    I took it apart to check to see if all was OK and to give it a good
    cleaning. Also on the Model H the worm is on top of the worm wheel.
    On my head the worm is under the worm wheel. The photos show this.

    http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/a...p/IMG_1109.jpg

    The number is 3 over 7622


    One of the photos shows this # on the top of the head.

    Thanks for your help.

    Michael S. Fox

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShopMan View Post
    Ramsy;

    I took it apart to check to see if all was OK and to give it a good
    cleaning. Also on the Model H the worm is on top of the worm wheel.
    On my head the worm is under the worm wheel. The photos show this.

    The number is 3 over 7366


    One of the photos shows this # on the top of the head.

    Thanks for your help.

    Michael S. Fox
    Hi: 3 over 7366 in my book is 1ch-2chl std hi spd ajd univ drive brkts nov 54..

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    The photo linked above shows 3-7622

    See my post #8 that identifies this number above.


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    Ramsay;

    So sorry, the number is 3 over 7622 for my head.

    http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/a...p/IMG_1109.jpg

    Thanks again

    Michael S. Fox

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    Talking Dividing Head

    Quote Originally Posted by ShopMan View Post
    Ramsay;

    So sorry, the number is 3 over 7622 for my head.

    http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/a...p/IMG_1109.jpg

    Thanks again

    Michael S. Fox
    Hi: Sorry I was confused.. This is the head John already gave and id on..
    12" Model H dividing head December 1955.. Looks like they made 15 of them in this lot.. Quite unique though.. I wonder if we will ever see another one?
    I have had the Model H with the gear cover on top and also the Model K but never had one like that yet.. Mike

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    Johnoder / Ramsay1;

    Well done and thank you both for your help. I will be sure to stamp this
    info where the name plate use to be so whoever may get it in the future
    won't have to wonder. Though I must tell you both it has been a pleasure
    dealing with you.

    Thank you

    Michael S. Fox

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