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Old 08-18-2008, 09:28 PM
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Default Welding zinc sheet metal ????'s

Customer wants thin zinc sheet welded, countertop corners.

Thin stuff .034 I think.

Limited info on the web, some companies say they weld zinc countertops and grind smooth, in shop only, but I can't find any info on zinc rod.

I know the fumes are poisionous and will take appropriate measures.

I have a Dynasty 200dx and know how to use it.

Where can I get the rod? Anything else I need to know about welding Zinc?

I think it welds on AC, but I'm not sure of that either.

Thanks,

James
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:39 PM
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if its for a counter top make sure they know before hand that any vinegar spilled on it will stain and can only be fixed by tearing the whole thing out and re dip it. unless it will painted, in which case that changes many things. easiest way to do it will be to build it then hot dip it. otherwise its a matter of of grinding off old zinc, welding, then spraying with cold galvanizing, this isn't an decorative way to do a countertop.
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Old 08-20-2008, 12:34 AM
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Rusty- he is talking about SOLID zinc, not galvanized sheet.
No redipping needed.
Solid zinc countertops are all the rage in $100,000 country kitchens these days.
I believe it can be tig welded with a zinc filler rod, but yes, zinc fumes are nasty.
I have also heard it can be oxy-acetylene welded.
You may have to cut strips off to use for filler rod, though, if you cant find a filler.

here is a tech link- it talks about welding. These guys- Jarden Zinc- seem to be the ones to call to find out where to buy filler rod.

http://www.allzinc.com/techdata/Tech...ining_Zinc.pdf
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Old 08-20-2008, 12:53 AM
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You might try the 'Aluminum Braze' rod that is sold for joining Aluminum and die cast alloys. It has been discussed in these forums but I can't recall the name offhand. Heat is applied with a gas torch.

I suspect the alloy is near the Aluminum-Zinc eutectic, ( Zn - 6Al melts at 381*C or ~717*F.), and if so, it will melt at a lower temperature than the pure Zinc that you are intending to join. Pure Zn M.P. is 419*C. Less than 90% Zn melts above pure Zn.

If you are inclined to experiment for feasibility, the infamous HF has some for about $12 per pound. The brand name stuff is likely to be higher purity but is much higher price. There are also other suppliers.

This stuff:
http://www.aluminumrepair.com/aluminum_repair.asp
or 'HTS-2000 Brazing Rod'
...Judging by the melting range of 717-737*F given in the MSDS, it looks like it is only a couple % one side or the other of eutectic composition.

Never mind the 'proprietary composition' BS in the MSDS, the Al-Zn binary phase diagram shows the necessary data. I suspect that it would work fine for your application.

If you decide to experiment, let us know the results.

BTW, if you don't exceed the melting temperature of Zn, fumes won't be much of a problem.

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Old 08-20-2008, 11:20 AM
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The problem I see with the aluminum brazing rod is color match.
I have done a lot of work in high end construction, and nobody who specs solid zinc wants to see a seam. They want perfection, impeccable craftsmanship, they want it to look good in an architecture magazine.
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Old 08-20-2008, 12:37 PM
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Thanks for the replies.

Most of the sites devoted to zinc countertop info stress that it's not stainless, it will discolor and/or develop a patina, will scratch and mark easily...it's part of the charm even. Then they go on to say the patina can be removed if wanted, and a sealer applied to keep the 'unoxidized' color.

Most also mention that the seams will be visible.

One place welds their seams and says they're blended.

A DIY site sells zinc sheet and also solder for the joints.

Of course, it's one of those 'customers' who asks a question and then disappears, but I was interested anyway.

-James
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