Thread: In case anyone wants to see a Litz in person near Pittsburgh

With all the talk about the Litz CNC Machines that Mitty got, just wanted to let everyone know that I have a new Litz CV-600 VMC, and also a CNC Turning Center LT-400 coming in later this week (May 9th or so) to my shop in Pittsburgh, and they will be here for about 2-3 weeks until the customer is ready for them.
So if anyone wanted to come by and see them in person, even under power when I test and check everything out (no cuts though, they are a customers machines) you are more than welcomed to. We are in Pittsburgh, PA.
Email or call if you would like to see them. 412-787-2876 ask for Matt. Or matt@machinetoolonline.com if thats easier.

Is there a Mr. Litz ?

There might be, I would like to be him if there was.

Its www.litzhitech.com, he would own that, so I think he would have some money.

I'd be most greatfull if you could take some nice detailed pics and post them here or in a new thread.

Bunch of pictures to come soon, would have got them yesterday when the machines came in, but was a LONG day. The container that they came in somehow was 5'3" to the floor height. The loading dock is 4' which is pretty standard. I've never had one quite that high. Could not get into the container with a forklift the conventional way. And could not get the machines out through a loading dock.

Oh well we got them though, just a 1/2 hour job that turned into a 6 hour job. It happens all the time though.

What I do not understand is, the container was a "high" container, 9' inside height. So 9' plus 5'3" from ground to the floor, plus about 3" thickness on the top of the container, and it came all the way from New Jersey by truck. Only a foot over legal height.
Good thing this guy didn't get pulled over, (or have a low bridge) or the machines may have been in some trouble.
Then again the way the drive was, he could have ripped the top of the sea container off and probably would not have even known or cared.

Oh well thats why they ship them to us instead of direct to the customer, we get to deal with the problems, and then get it to the customer, and they get to have all the fun.

Why was the container so high to the floor? Was the floor thicker than normal, or was the trailer taller? I can't picture one being so different, makes me why they would build it that way except for something military.

It was the carriage it was sitting on, the floor was the normal thickness.

A lot of times for some reason the short 20' containers are higher, but not quite that high. I have no idea why it was like that.

Here are some pictures just getting the machines out of the truck and inside for now. Gotta set them up and get ready, going to the customer in about 2 weeks.

I like the red steel custom pallets.
Never seen anything like that, even on my high priced german stuff, which usually comes crated, to avoid rust, but just with regular OSB and treated lumber.

Okumas come from japan crated in steel crates. They are open crates, though the machines are double tarped (sealed bags), as well as thick mil plastic, then inside the machine all unpainted surfaces are covered in plastic and oil. I have uncrated a good half dozen machines in the last few weeks and have seen no sign of any weather getting into the sealed units, there are also moisture detectors in there, as well as a big pile of dessicate packs.

Husker

Nick

The Litz machines come with dessicate bags as well, those are the white bags on the floor of the Electrical cabinet.

I'm curious as to what kind of control is on the CV600 because its not FANUC Yellow like mine is as you can see. It looks different.

Nice little 4th axis.

Frank S. in Tennessee

Standard control is Mitsubishi according to the Litz site. Siemens and Fanuc are optional.

One thing I noticed on their site that's interesting is that the standard toolchanger is 16 pockets, but its a drum the same as the optional 24.

Matt, what's the selling price on the base CV600 machine? Looks like its pretty well equipped as is and could certainly be considered a complete machine without adding anything above the base configuration.

Those look like Siemens drives.

Originally Posted by Perry Harrington

Those look like Siemens drives.

Look like mits to me. On siemens 611 drives the motor cables come out the bottom of the drive and there is a ribbon cable that goes across right above the links. The Encoder cables go in the top and should be green jacketed.

Yeah, those are Mits drives. Wonder what the little 4th drive is for? 4th axis? Or, maybe just to control the toolchanger motor? Or heck, that may be the main cnc unit.

Where is the spindle drive?? Maybe the small white unit on the top left??

Nice looking machines...

How does one find information on that Lathe?
The Litz site does not show anything other than a picture.

There is a small 4th sitting on the machine table.

Damn Husker, I didn't even see the 4th axis-rotary table until you pointed it out!

The little drive would be for the rotary then.

There must be another electrical cabinet somewhere though? I still can't find the main cnc unit....and that small white box in the upper left corner is awfully small for what should be at least a 10hp spindle drive...it does appear to have some large black wires coming out the top though...

I can't claim that one as mine!

Originally Posted by mitty38382

Nice little 4th axis.

Frank S. in Tennessee

Husker

Yep thats a Mitsubishi M64 Control. Was not my choice, the customer wanted it that way. Fanuc is my preference, even Siemens is pretty good for me, I just do not know my way around a Mitsubishi control very well. But its what they wanted. Its a great control, just not what I know. But I'll figure it out.
As far as cost, this one was $73,000. But don't let that scare you. Thats with 4th axis, the 24 tool changer instead of 16, and just about every option available, and a pretty complete tooling package. Also includes Installation, setup, delivery, some training, etc.
There was a lot of money worth of options and tooling on this machine. With the Fanuc 0i mate control, its even less than the Mitsubishi. But with Fanuc 0i, no 4th axis is possible.
Price on the machine is hard to really say not knowing what one wants for a control, but PM Me if you want to know. Don't really want to post that here but Mitty is more than welcomed to reply and say what he paid if he wishes.

I do know why Mitty bought this machine in the first place too. If you compare with something similar, the Litz looks a little more expensive. But when you add options to the others and compare what this comes with, its not any more expensive. This was loaded out with options, but they were special options like the 4th axis and tooling and things like that.

A lot of people have compared this one with the Sharp SV-2412. But its hard to compare. They may look close in travels other than the Litz has 4 more inches in Y and a few in Z, but I have seen them next to each other. The Litz weighs about 4000 pounds more than the Sharp, that in itself says how its hard to compare.
Not that the sharp isn't a good machine, many people are real happy with them. But its just not a comparison to this when comparing price. I have a VMC thats more comparable to the Sharp that I sell for less than $30,000. Although I will say, its not as pretty looking as the Litz or Sharp.
I will post some more pictures this week, once I get more. Its all up and running now, just gotta get better with the camera.

Machines will be in my Pittsburgh warehouse until June 2nd, so if anyone wants to see it, just let me know, its not a problem.