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    Default Has Anyone Added Through Spindle Coolant to an older Haas?

    Haas VF machining center.

    As we have grown, we have taken in more and more jobs that would not only benefit from through spindle coolant, but some of them darn near require it. Growth has us looking into a new machine in the not so distant future, but I have to wonder just how hard it would be to add it to this machine, right now. Has anyone added through spindle coolant to a Haas? Is it economically feasible? It is mechanically feasible?


    If you did this, what parts did you use? Where did you get them?

    Thanks.

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    the fact that if you ask haas they'll tell you it is only available new from the factory when built, not a field installable option. never heard of anyone doing it down the road, maybe give someone like chipblaster a call? what machine and vintage you working with?

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    Knowing just about nothing about Haases I'd suspect that if the spindle is threaded for a union you could get the correct union from Deublin. I found Deublin very helpful on the phone when I needed to replace an older model with something current.

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    I have one that I wanted to sell and have been told yes you can do it..no you cant do it..by two different HFO'S
    So the first question I always get is, can you install it on a non TSC machine.
    I think you can, just not with a "kit" from Haas
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    IMHO, spring for the new machine with it over spending the buck on a machine you want to move down the road anyway. You won't get it back in resale and it won't be all the same for the new machine.....

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    Have you looked at inducers?

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    I have a cpl of new (never used anyhow) Cat50 inducers that I might sell, but I doubt that you have a 50 taper Haas...

    If you need to rig something up for a certain drill, and if you can take the time to physically be there at the time, there is a quick fix option.

    If you are just looking to drill a big/deep hole, you can get a spade drill from Allied with a taper shank. That will have provissions for a coolant inducer ring to be installed directly onto it. The tool can go through the toolchanger, but you would need to hook and unhook the hose after and before toolchange. (just put an M0 to hold the phone).

    Also - if you go with the inducer like Beege has shown, you can add a port to the bottom of the spindle that the holder plugs into for a torque stop as well as the coolant feed. This way you don't have to be there to hook up the hose.

    Next step is a coolant pump. If you are wanting to run 3/16 drills, then you may want to pony up for a big pump. I don't know the pressure rating on an inducer, but I would be a bit skeptical of real high pressures? But you could buy the first cheap stack pump that come up on e-bay and hook it up.

    If you have an extra M code - you're all set. If you don't, you could just tie it into one that is already used, like say you piggy back into the chip conveyor output if that is M code driven? You could always use a Manuel push button if need be, but you are back to the M0 for and aft again.


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    Aint it grand...

    'You cannot add that to an older machine'
    'Just buy a new one'

    Went down this road 10 years ago or so. They said they don't make an install kit. Welp... A new one is another $1500+ a month payment. Coolant ring costs you $30.00. Simple little aluminum ring with a hole and 2 snap rings for it to ride on. Very simple. But really they should allow these options to be installed on older machines.

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    First, thank you all for the input.

    Yes, some of it I am already aware of and looked at/looking at. I will come back and write more when I have more time. ( little busy at the moment ) But, I wanted to respond to a few things early on.

    I don't trust Haas to know what is and is not realistic and possible. They have proven themselves wrong more times than I care to think about. The best and most readily available example is that when I WANTED to spend the money they flat out insisted that I could not install probing on this machine. It was, to quote them, "impossible".

    Yet... here we are with a Renishaw work probe and tool setter on the machine, using it DAILY. And for a PITTANCE of what they charge, to boot.

    So you'll understand if I don't exactly expect them to know one way or the other.

    Yes, I have looked at inducers for drills. That's only 30% of the battle. Hence the desire to go through spindle.

    More later.

    Thanks, Gentlemen. Appreciate the input and time.

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    I'd think it simpler than adding a probe, You need a union, a pump, a solenoid valve, a starter for the pump motor, an M code output in the control to operate the valve and starter, and some wiring and hoses.

    The union choices can be overwhelming. Ordering whatever Haas specs for that machine is probably a simple choice. I'm familiar with Dueblin - they have popoff style unions that can run indefinitely without coolant, and standard type that need fluid for lubrication, larger orifices for lower pressure with higher flow, smaller orifices for higher pressure but less flow. Start with finding out what thread is in your drawbar, RH, LH, metric, inch and go from there. Once you know what you need you might find a correct union on ebay.

    Idev Listing | Deublin Company

    Maybe one of these -
    UNION POP-OFF M16X1.5LH 18MM | Deublin Company
    UNION POP-OFF M16X1.5LH 18MM | Deublin Company

    I have a couple spare chipblasters I should sell if you're interested in shipping one, we're happy so far w/120 psi on our TSC and haven't seen a need yet to install one on this machine. On that subject, you can get Grundfos type pumps w/ 120+ PSI, they don't need all the space and electric of a high pressure rig.

    Edit - Here's a guy selling a Deublin union at a big premium, because it's still half the price of the Haas part.
    COOLANT ROTARY UNION as Compared to Haas(R) PN# 93-982 & 93-1158 | eBay


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