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I am awfully skeptical of off brands but I just got a short demo on a new Methods mill and couldn't help but be impressed. Very nice looking machine! I also have to believe that if a reputable company like Methods was to become vested, it would probably have proper support.

Anyone here have first hand experience with the brand?
 
My (former) company bought one just about a year ago, to serve as the "less precise" machine compared to the Matsuura that was installed right next to it. I can't say that I have great knowledge of its performance, since I and my engineering group were shown the door a couple of months after it hit the floor, but all indications were that it performed very well as a new machine. The machine shop manager and I had previously worked together in other enterprises, and he selected these (Feeler mill and lathe) to serve as "roughers" if required for the Matsuura and the Nakamura-Tome lathe. Nice combination, it seems. Too bad the machine shop and our product development group were victims of corporate politics and financial engineering.
 
My 32yr/old Nakamura lathe has a GIANT Methods placard right on the front.
I have had to call them for tech support once. They were very helpful.
Thats all I got LOL.
 
My 32yr/old Nakamura lathe has a GIANT Methods placard right on the front.
I have had to call them for tech support once. They were very helpful.
Thats all I got LOL.

They look an awful lot like the newer Moris... Id love to know who is making their machines.

I know JW can appreciate the fanick control.
 
I have no direct experience with these machines other than the Hardinge copies they made and those were nice machines. I have heard good things and the brand seems to have come a long way. Methods wont just jump into bed with anyone.

Ron
 
Whatd i do now?
Probably has something to do with posting machine vid porn of machines we want but cant afford :)
I know if Methods is selling them they are a good machine and will have good support. But like I told my salesman when they first told me about them..I could never have a machine with the name Feeler..I would just get tired of explaining it :(
Gary
 
Probably has something to do with posting machine vid porn of machines we want but cant afford :)
I know if Methods is selling them they are a good machine and will have good support. But like I told my salesman when they first told me about them..I could never have a machine with the name Feeler..I would just get tired of explaining it :(
Gary

Are you on IG?
Feeler has a pretty good name for themselves...at least around here. We just sold a beat up feeler speed lathe for pretty good money at the day job. It wasn't all that beat actually, just a broken collet closer.
If they would have let me take a decent video, the robodrill would have been the least impressive machine.
I think it prob has more to do with me looking at the robodrill and not a brother. in all honesty, its probably foolish to buy any machine that isn't cat 40 or hsk, but where I am in the business right now, the small machine might be a good stepping stone to being entirely self employed. Im not buying anything right now, just looking around and weighing out my options/sizes/prices
 
After Methods lost the Matsuura line that they'd had as the North American importer for at least 35 years, they picked up Feeler. The machines do seem to be good, solid machines at a lower price point than Matsuura and well worth the money. I know of a few local shops that bought new Feeler over the past few years and haven't heard a bad word said about the machine nor Methods.
 
Not on IG, but then again I don't know what that is..:(

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Yeah it's a shame methods split up with Matsuura. I've heard several decent and not so good things about feeler machines, no real horror stories tho...

Bro, I'd definitely be looking hard at brother, unless you just gotta have a CAT40. I guess it really comes down to price point and service for sure. Do you need speed and reliability, or mostly just something you can afford?
 
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Yeah it's a shame methods split up with Matsuura. I've heard several decent and not so good things about feeler machines, no real horror stories tho...

Bro, I'd definitely be looking hard at brother, unless you just gotta have a CAT40. I guess it really comes down to price point and service for sure. Do you need speed and reliability, or mostly just something you can afford?

I need something with 3-4 axis, and an ATC. 20 tool magazine minimum. Id like to be at 10k rpm minimum. Like you said- service and support are huge. I dont NEED to go fast, but Id really like to be able to move if I wanted to. Part probing would be nice too.

Id like a machine big enough to stay versatile with what work I am able to bring in. I need a machine small enough to fit through the door and clear the ceiling with the z all the way up. (8ft door 10ft cieling to the trusses)
 
How thick are your floors and how big of a matsuura? Dad keeps trying to sell me on a few older matsuuras HGR has... Not desputing they are a nice mill, but its a high torque 6000rpm machine and the parts for the older ones are pretty expensive.
On the other hand... For only 10k$ it is a pretty decent piece of iron.

The feeler vmp580 Methods Machine Tools - Machines - Feeler - VMP-Series Vertical Machining Centers would fit perfect without having to tuck the z up between the trusses.

The reason i want to stay away from rigging up the ceiling is because I would hope that after buying a cnc i would be grow large enough to sell this place is 5 more years. I think a purpose built cieling would detract from the overall appeal of the shop itself when it came time to sell.
 
I was told that Feeler and Akira-Seiki are one in the same. I have an AKI Performa V4 with a Mits control and it's a decent machine.
 
I was told that Feeler and Akira-Seiki are one in the same. I have an AKI Performa V4 with a Mits control and it's a decent machine.

It did cross my mind... They both have that window on the tool carousel and this dealer sold us am Akira Seiki at the day job. I have never ran it and it does not have the mits control I know that.
 
We have had three Methods' Feelers (2010-2011's), only one left now, a HV-1000...runs daily, mostly production stuff that it is tooled up for (we have a pair of long tombstone set up we swap in and out with a few jobs), and the odd small jobs. It is "OK" - what I usually call good basic iron, but the little crap is what annoys me the most. The "little" stuff can be a $10 float switch or something along that order, but it takes a half a day to get to it, figure it out, and get a new one in place. Do this a couple times a year and your savings are out the window.

The manufacturer is Fair Friend Enterprises out of Taiwan, so the component quality is, well, just not the best - as I was told, they have to make it cheaper somehow. All of the stuff looks nice, I just know that the life of everything is not going to be what you will find on a higher end machine. One of those annoying items is the tool clamp hydraulic booster and unclamp cylinder, both of which I have had to rebuild (or flat out buy new from Methods at ~$3k). The booster cylinder is easy, a few hours and you can knock it out, but the unclamp cylinder is quite involved, figure a full day, pulling the spindle motor in the process.

Overall, not a bad machine, just not well thought out. The side door tracks completely fill with chips making them useless and difficult to open and close, all of the machines leaked like a sieve until we got them fixed in some manner, the HV's use an 18i control, which I have to say is painfully slow and has only 256k memory loaded from Methods. The machine is blazing fast (2400" rapids), has plenty of HP (15k spindle and 30HP), so cut performance is not a limiting factor, but chip removal is - it will make snow drifts in a hurry and a shovel is the best method to get them out - don't try to push them through the conveyor, you will be pulling that apart. As the Feeler engineer visiting us said "you cut too fast, we no cover there!" while pointing to the door latch switches packed with chips. It does have a chip wash that is commanded by an M-code (and only an M-code!), but you can't use that either as you will empty the coolant tank, starving your tool in the cut. I was going to add an overhead chip wash by re-routing the plumbing and making some overhead manifolds so the nozzles would direct the chips into the augers, but after realizing the small available coolant volume, I left it alone and we try to deal with the best we can.

We are quite versed in the coolant clean-up task though, still to this day, it will puke out 10-15 gallons (primarily from the high pressure tank) on the floor for no reason. I have relocated the transfer pump, re-plumbed it to help that situation, but it still will do it every once in a while and we are not real sure why. We also added a filter in-line for the flood coolant, we just kept plugging up the check valves around the spindle housing. I suppose a good Mayfran Concept 2000 or Turbo Microfine would be in order, but it's hard to shell out $15-20k on a conveyor (if Methods has even had anyone interested) on a "cheap" vertical.

My advise, maybe find a different machine. Too bad Method's doesn't offer something better, but not the huge step in price to a Yasda. If they could offer the Yasdas at a Matsuura price, I'd be all over that!

Here's a thread from a while back - it's on a lathe, but....
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/cnc-machining/need-feedback-feeler-ftc-200l-lathes-272186/



Steve
 








 
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