Thread: New to Swiss learning machine and partmaker

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Recieved new position at my employer. I am taking over programming several citizen machines. Swiss machining is totally new to me so I am learning set up. But at the same time I am learning solidworks as well as partmaker. just looking for advice on how to juggle learning all three at one time.

By all means learn how to program the machine before you use any programing software. If you don't know how to code, you will never be able to figure out a problem when the post spits out a bad program.

You are an accident looking for a place to happen. Your company doesn't seem very bright giving you the programming job on machines that are foreign to you. I have been programming swiss machines for almost 30 years and never used software for anything other than trig calculations. Been self employed for the last 15 years. On my last job working for someone else I ran circles around people using programming software. I have an extensive library of programs and just cut and paste. Get yourself the code list for the machines, sample parts that have been run before with programs and prints. Learning software correctly takes a long time, most people that do it right get 40 hours of class time from the software company, then take months, or some years to master it. I doubt your company will be that patient with you.

I agree with Dualkit.You should learn how to program by hand before learning any kind of software. I also believe,like Dualkit that I can program a lot of jobs way faster by hand than by using our software.Once you get a few examples of working programs in your library you can cut and paste them into almost any configuration that you wish.Get the codes, a hard copy of a program that is running in a machine you can watch,and go through it line by line looking up each code and watching a visual example in the machine.That would be the fastest way to get up to speed. Especially on a Citizen,as programming can get very complex on the 3 dollar sign programs.. I came from 20 years of setting up,programming and running turning centers and was able to pick it up fairly quickly Many thanks to all the guys at CMA in Springfield Mass for putting up with me being a PITA for my training period! Hopefully your company gives you the same opportunity!

To give any advice here without knowing your machining/programing background is pretty difficult.

Originally Posted by simpleminded

To give any advice here without knowing your machining/programing background is pretty difficult.

I made assumptions, but it is obvious the machines are foreign to him. I am going to assume these Citizen Swiss are an advanced version with 6 axii and up and not a bunch of F series from the early 80's. At least the two head type with waiting codes. These are great machines but they don't like to be crashed, they are fragile, programing mistakes that run drill spindles into over head tooling can cost $1,000 to $5,000 in repairs.
Of course I would like to hear more background on the situation.

Pitglc, what is a 3 dollar sign program? My newest CNC in my shop was made in 2001 and I have been self employed since 1996. I can't afford new technology, so I don't keep up on it much. The newest Citizen I ran was made in 1988.

Originally Posted by Dualkit

I have been programming swiss machines for almost 30 years and never used software for anything other than trig calculations. .

You're proud of that?

I can't stand anti technology "30 years of experience" dip shits. I don't give a fuck if you invented swiss, you don't have it all figured out. You probably have no idea what modern software can do. Ignorant and proud of it! Everyone should do shit your way because you've got it all figured out, huh?

Originally Posted by John Welden

You're proud of that?

I can't stand anti technology "30 years of experience" dip shits. I don't give a fuck if you invented swiss, you don't have it all figured out. You probably have no idea what modern software can do. Ignorant and proud of it! Everyone should do shit your way because you've got it all figured out, huh?

I thought you only played troll in political threads. I have nothing against software, for what I do the $25,000 price tag is not justified. For the parts I make my average programming time is less than 15 minutes because of my extensive library of programs. I just programmed a V-groove alternator pulley in a whooping 5 minutes. Can you do that with your programming software? Of course I had a V-groove pulley program in my library already.

Originally Posted by Dualkit

I thought you only played troll in political threads. I have nothing against software, for what I do the $25,000 price tag is not justified. For the parts I make my average programming time is less than 15 minutes because of my extensive library of programs. I just programmed a V-groove alternator pulley in a whooping 5 minutes. Can you do that with your programming software? Of course I had a V-groove pulley program in my library already.

I wasnt trolling.

I've only read about and seen pictures of Swiss programming software. I'd like to try one out if I could. I certainly have an open mind to it. It's totally possible you could have Swiss cam that would spit out great code. Perfect effient wait codes, pick offs, all of it. I don't know if Swiss cam is there yet.

I've had '30 years experience' guys telling me how shit should be done and had to deal with their close minded attitudes my whole career. Can't stand that shit. Any guy that quotes their years of experience is automatically suspect to me. You can suck shit for 30 years. John I've been doin it this way for 30 years, this is how it's done....

John, years of experience can mean nothing, as RJ once said 25 years experience could be one year experience x 25. Not the case with me. Here you are trolling, since you know nothing about Swiss programming software, why are you even responding in here? While my exposure to Swiss programming software ended in 1997, at least I have seen it, all the way back to 1984 when I saw it used to cut cams for cam operated screw machines. You haven't so maybe you should keep your mouth shut. You are getting worse as you usually acted professional in machining threads that you could not twist into a political discussion. You are a sad case, an angry bitter old man trapped in a 30-40 year old body.

$3 means you have $1 is the main, $2 is the turret tools front and back, $3 is the back gang/pickoff

Originally Posted by Dualkit

John, years of experience can mean nothing, as RJ once said 25 years experience could be one year experience x 25. Not the case with me. Here you are trolling, since you know nothing about Swiss programming software, why are you even responding in here? While my exposure to Swiss programming software ended in 1997, at least I have seen it, all the way back to 1984 when I saw it used to cut cams for cam operated screw machines. You haven't so maybe you should keep your mouth shut. You are getting worse as you usually acted professional in machining threads that you could not twist into a political discussion. You are a sad case, an angry bitter old man trapped in a 30-40 year old body.

No, I'm not trolling and we run Citizen C16's at work and i program so fuck off.

And I'm not an old man, I'm 37.

You haven't seen swiss cam since 1997 and that's what you base your opinion on? 15 years in computer tech is like 100 in anything else. So I do know more about modern swiss cam than you from reading about it. I just haven't got a chance to use it.

Originally Posted by Dualkit

John, years of experience can mean nothing, as RJ once said 25 years experience could be one year experience x 25. Not the case with me. Here you are trolling, since you know nothing about Swiss programming software, why are you even responding in here? While my exposure to Swiss programming software ended in 1997, at least I have seen it, all the way back to 1984 when I saw it used to cut cams for cam operated screw machines. You haven't so maybe you should keep your mouth shut. You are getting worse as you usually acted professional in machining threads that you could not twist into a political discussion. You are a sad case, an angry bitter old man trapped in a 30-40 year old body.

Shut Up already.. You fucking suck....

Originally Posted by John Welden

No, I'm not trolling and we run Citizen C16's at work and i program so fuck off.

And I'm not an old man, I'm 37.

You haven't seen swiss cam since 1997 and that's what you base your opinion on? 15 years in computer tech is like 100 in anything else. So I do know more about modern swiss cam than you from reading about it. I just haven't got a chance to use it.

John,
This joker (Dualkit) openly admits to washing screw machine parts in his home dishwasher. Nuff Said

Originally Posted by John Welden

No, I'm not trolling and we run Citizen C16's at work and i program so fuck off.

And I'm not an old man, I'm 37.

You haven't seen swiss cam since 1997 and that's what you base your opinion on? 15 years in computer tech is like 100 in anything else. So I do know more about modern swiss cam than you from reading about it. I just haven't got a chance to use it.

John, just out of curiosity what do you use to program the citizens that you have at your facility.

In my opinion unless the OP has very understanding management, he has been setup for failure. Learning cnc swiss machines, Solidworks and Partmaker all at the same time is pretty daunting, and I wish him the best and hope that his management understands that competence in any one of those is not going to come overnight.

Von

Originally Posted by Dualkit

You are a sad case, an angry bitter old man trapped in a 30-40 year old body.

Originally Posted by John Welden

And I'm not an old man, I'm 37.

Well, one things for sure, he's hard of herring.



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lol, you guys are great entertainment first thing in the morning. Who needs coffee. I just spit oatmeal all over my monitor.

Cosmoman,

As others have stated; the best way to learn the machine code (on your own) is to have copies of working programs, & prints to go along with.
If however you have someone to teach you (the guy who did it before you possibly) then you will be ahead of the game.

Solidworks is a stand alone program, and a I recommend auditing a class at the local community college if you have no background in AutoCad or other digital drawing software.

Partmaker should offer training, but I think that your company should pay for the cost of training if they are serious about setting you up to succeed.

My $.02
Doug.

Originally Posted by John Welden

You're proud of that?

I can't stand anti technology "30 years of experience" dip shits. I don't give a fuck if you invented swiss, you don't have it all figured out. You probably have no idea what modern software can do. Ignorant and proud of it! Everyone should do shit your way because you've got it all figured out, huh?

Holy attack out of nowhere Batman!
I am guessing that you two have history somewhere on this board?
Regardless of any water under the bridge, those members that act openly hostile to others have a way of pissing off Don. That gets you banned quickly.

Doug.