Acramatic 850 SX strange error code

[Rick Kight]

Hope someone can give us some direction with this. We are getting a alert #17701 ISUB Failure,
"manual tool change operation was aborted and did not complete" message at the end of axis alignment. Z and Y align but X never finishes.
I know the error scheme in there controls lacks especially when one error cause another. But looking at the error history this is the only error that is occuring. I do not know how a manual tool change error is happing at the end of the alignment. It looks like X finishes but does not register in the control. If you clear the error the control is saying " axis aligning" but X has stopped. Machine is not locked up, you can Data reset and can press the align axis button and it goes thru the alignment process again with the same results. any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I am going to check limit switches on tool changer(spindle) and drum. Cycling power does not help.

Thanks

Rick

 

[sudtechcnc]

there are machines where when we do a homing command

the axes first align then the tool changer indexes
till it gets some prox signal then reindexes to a preset pocket ( Makino )

just a thought ..

MJM

 

[Rick Kight]

MJM

Thanks, but on these Cinci's you "align" the tool changer separately from XY & Z. After the axis align you manually index the carousel to pocket 1 and set it with a push of a button.

Rick

 

[Gary E]

Rick
are you sure about your align procedures? The book actually says EXACTLY that?

Reason I ask is that on the 900 control I had you pushed one button and it all happened automaticly. The align procedures on much older controls were automatic for many many years. Maybe your 850 is different.

Why not CALL THE FACTORY ? geese they KNOW...

 

[Rick Kight]

Gary,

The X,Y & Z is automatic, but the tool drum has to be done seperate. I do have a call into Tech Support and am waiting on them to get back to me.

Rick

 

[DanMcG]

I have this exact same problem. How was it solved?

 

[Rick Kight]

DanMcG

Our problem turned out to be with the x axis motor / encoder. Seems it could not find the x axis marker pulse when homing the x axis. Is your machine going into this error when the x axis is doing its final move to home? If so I would have your x axis encoder looked at. The x axis motor / encoder is prone to moisture problems on these machines.



Rick

 

[Rick Kight]

One more thing

This machine we had the problem on has Fanuc drives and motors. If you have Kollemorgan it may or may not be the problem. Depends on how and what the drive lets the Acromatic control know. You know that Cinci double super secret coded error messaging is enough to drive you nuts.

Rick

 

[Gary E]

Rick

You started this thread 3 months ago...isit fixed yet?

 

[Rick Kight]

Gary

Yes it has been fixed for some time, we had it back up and running within a few days of it failing, I have replyed today to DanMcg (four post up)who is having the same exact problem.

Rick

 

[Gary E]

That's good...

I had the 900 control
was it newer or older than the 850 ?

 

[Rick Kight]

Gary

I do not know if the if tbe 900 was newer or older.
I think they went to pc based (2100) control right after the 850. We have both

 

[Mud]

Timeline - 900 then 850 & 950 then 850SX then 2100. GaryE, I thought you worked for Cincinnati and knew everything?

 

[Gary E]

Are you kidding? They had so many changes when I was there it took book to keep track and after I left I'm surprized they know whoz on first..no...Hu wuz on 2nd ...I think ..maybe
.. besides, at this age CRS sets in and ...what what wuz your question??