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11-20-2009, 02:14 PM
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Aluminum
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Hamburg, MN
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1) The probability of a machine breakdown increases exponentially with the size of the job you are running and how far behind you are.
2) Machines are more likely to break down on Friday night before a weekend run than any other day of the week.
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11-20-2009, 06:08 PM
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Hot Rolled
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: ct.
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11-20-2009, 06:25 PM
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Diamond
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: West Unity, Ohio
Posts: 8,843
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HuFlungDung
When you're rough turning a long shaft in the lathe....say 8:1 length/diameter ratio, using the tailstock support, it will rough almost dead straight. But it will never finish dead straight 
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I don't git it?
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Originally Posted by Sleazey
Actually, that period of time is more properly known as the "ohnosecond". 
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Now that is good!
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***1985***
Ox
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11-20-2009, 06:38 PM
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Diamond
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Canada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ox
I don't git it? 
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In other words, Ox, when it doesn't matter, that is when the lathe will turn almost perfect cylinders
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11-20-2009, 06:42 PM
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Diamond
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: West Unity, Ohio
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Think Snow Eh!
Ox
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11-20-2009, 06:53 PM
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Hot Rolled
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Kirkland, WA
Posts: 566
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You only overwrite programs you'll end up needing later.
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11-20-2009, 07:08 PM
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Hot Rolled
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Hamburg, Minnesota, USA
Posts: 937
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Techguy
1) The probability of a machine breakdown increases exponentially with the size of the job you are running and how far behind you are.
2) Machines are more likely to break down on Friday night before a weekend run than any other day of the week.
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Ummm, dat's only cause you own the cheap stuff

hehehe
Dave
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11-20-2009, 07:18 PM
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Diamond
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: South Central PA
Posts: 6,468
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Any fastener dropped in the chip conveyor will become invisible and non-magnetic.
Any fastener or tool dropped during repair or maintenance will lodge in the most physically inaccessible spot in the machine. If it goes under the machine, it will roll to the perfect geographical center of the machine.
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11-20-2009, 07:22 PM
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Stainless
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,056
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If you are running out of work throw away some tooling. Then that job will repeat.
Regards,
Stan-
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11-20-2009, 07:23 PM
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Hot Rolled
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: NYC
Posts: 665
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Corollary; Your tool Carousel/Turret never has enough pockets.
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Originally Posted by Boris
We all know various laws relating to machining stuff, most usually murphy's law, however some of you may have laws relating to CNC stuff
My contribution
#3: Thou shall never own enough tool holders.
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11-20-2009, 07:33 PM
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Titanium
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Southeastern US
Posts: 2,231
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1. The last torx insert screw you have that fits that particular holder will always break the second you attempt to use it - and it always happens on Friday at 5 PM with a hot job on the machine.
2. The ball of your ball end hex T-handle will always break off in a SHCS that is so deep in the machine you can't even see it.
3. You will always drop the last insert you have when changing it, chipping the cutting edge on the conveyor.
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11-20-2009, 07:43 PM
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Titanium
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Waukesha, WI
Posts: 3,032
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After hours of silence, programming intricate parts makes the phone ring at least 4 times.
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11-20-2009, 07:53 PM
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Plastic
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posts: 3
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Your cell phone will ring when you're in the middle of setting tool offsets.
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11-20-2009, 07:58 PM
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Aluminum
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 81
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Cnc Laws
When ordering inserts thou shalt check your supply of Torx screws,seats, and clamps.
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11-20-2009, 08:23 PM
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Stainless
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Silicon Valley, California... + other states & several countries on 3 continents
Posts: 1,864
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During a machine set up, when the tool and toolpath you're proving out requires an extra amount of pucker factor and you have your head deep in the part process..... That's when someone drops a large piece of material on the floor or uses the "solids bin" as a basketball hoop...  ...
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11-20-2009, 09:10 PM
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Stainless
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Near Seattle
Posts: 1,433
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#Tap- Thou can buy every tap size, for every standard thread, in every configuration.
And this will cause a new standard to be declared, and used on your part, so that you do not have the right kind of tap.
#Tap2 - If you have 4 taps, none of them will break. If you have 2 taps one will break, but be easily removed. If you have only 1 tap it will break off in the hole and require an AntiCarbideDeathRay to remove.
#PullStud1 - In order to prevent any sort of inventory reduction or other obvious efficiency, a wide variety of machines using the exact same holders (e.g. CAT 40) will all have different pull studs.
#PullStud2 - Pull stud installation requires the use of a bizarre socket used nowhere else in the universe. This socket is shy and likes to hide various places in the shop.
#ToolDrop - if a machine drops a toolholder (due to incorrect loading, say) it will always fall into one of two areas. Either directly onto some just finished surface of the part. OR Into some crevass in the deep reaches of the machine from which it is very difficult to retrieve. OR both.
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11-20-2009, 09:16 PM
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Stainless
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Near Seattle
Posts: 1,433
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The main property of coolant is that it keeps the machining process invisible.
Regardless of what any test says, the concrete floor is much harder than any tool.
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11-20-2009, 10:15 PM
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Hot Rolled
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 821
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Even if you make Tool Holders as your primary business, you don't have the one you need... ever...
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11-20-2009, 10:26 PM
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Titanium
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Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: WAPELLO, IA USA
Posts: 3,133
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the $1000 super tool will always fail right after you walk away from a long run( after 45 minutes or so) thinking its ok....
no matter how many coolant nozzles you have.... there is a spot on the part ya just can't get coolant to as you'd like to.
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11-20-2009, 10:56 PM
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Hot Rolled
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 581
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The cost of a new tool is proportional to the height from which you will drop it onto concrete. You will never drop the old insert that you are replacing, only the new one. All of your special short clamp studs for your vises will eventually end up in the coolant tank at the same time. You never tighten the vise down all the way on the last part of a run and it scraps. The crunching noise that happens when you put down the 80 pound vise that you just lifted out of your vmc are the Mitutoyo calipers that are under the harmless looking shop rag on your bench. Coolant only stains clothes that are new and nice looking.
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