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10-07-2009, 05:07 AM
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Deckel book
Hello all,
Deckel publish book 75 jahre Deckel (75 years Deckel) in 1978
Does anyone see this book?I travel end of month to Munchen and
try found this book.Any suggestions where i can find book?
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10-07-2009, 08:48 AM
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Wasn't Martin one of the authors?
Cheers Ross
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10-07-2009, 09:38 AM
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I have the 50 year anniversary book, there are also the 25 year and the 75 year book, which I have never seen., but they appear to be in a library in Munich (sort of like a Camber of Commerce collection with no real public access).
The latter 2 books seems to be quite rare, though 1978 was no that interesting from a machine point of view. I'd call it the age of confusion at Deckel. The machine catalogs from that time are baffling.
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10-07-2009, 07:48 PM
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I got the 50th anniversary book first and treasure it.
I have the 75th book somewhere and thought it was just a general sales catalogue. Cannot lay my fingers on either right now and cannot even say with certainty that I remember the 75th correctly.
Arno
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10-12-2009, 03:41 PM
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That sounds really cool.... Any chance you can scan a few pages out of it, Arno, so we can see what it is like? I'm curious what it is, to be honest... Is it just a collection of sales literature in bound form? Or is it an actual "history of the company" type of biography?
Alan
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10-12-2009, 05:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wrench
That sounds really cool.... Any chance you can scan a few pages out of it, Arno, so we can see what it is like? I'm curious what it is, to be honest... Is it just a collection of sales literature in bound form? Or is it an actual "history of the company" type of biography?
Alan
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About three quarter of the German only 50th anniversary, which Martin has too, covers the company history; mostly Compur camera shutters and Diesel injectors. Machines are treated very lightly. The book is linen bound (IIRC) and I would not attempt to break the spine to copy it, even if I had a decent scanner (15 minutes a colour page with the bottom third in red/blue stereo line format is not appealing, ask Don). There are relatively few pictures and, as I said before, I cannot lay my hand on it right now (No idea where it is. It wasn't even in the places where it couldn't possibly be !)
If I come across it, I'll see what I can do. As you have seen, lately I have taken some digital pictures (without a proper set up) for expediency.
Cheers,
Arno
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10-12-2009, 06:39 PM
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book
Arno- I got some kind of book from you aout 10 years ago???????? Wonder if its the one you're looking for??
Markus
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10-12-2009, 07:02 PM
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Quote:
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Arno- I got some kind of book from you aout 10 years ago???????? Wonder if its the one you're looking for??
Markus
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Markus,
The book I gave you is basically the standard "German Museum" in Munich book but bound with a special dedication page for Deckel..
Think about it. If you had told me about this list I would have sold it and the FP1 linen wall chart here! ;->)
Cheers,
Arno
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10-13-2009, 11:02 AM
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LOL on the scanning comment. I know *exactly* how you feel. I ended up getting a high speed B/W scanner that would auto-feed out of frustration, but that didn't handle the color works. Those I scanned all by hand.... Yawn... It was tedious and frustrating, to say the least.
As for that wall chart... THAT is what I really want! I'd love one of those or, at the very least, the ability to borrow one for a week or so. I'd like to get a high resolution scan for it from a 3rd party source (no way I'm going to buy a scanner to do something that large!) It would be expensive but worth it.
As for the book... I understand why you don't want to crack the binding that far open. You can get the things rebound but if it ain't broke then why fix it motto seems to apply here.
Alan
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10-13-2009, 04:00 PM
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Arno -- I was collecting this stuff way before the PM was even started so I guess it has a good home any way....................................
I finally figured out why one of the fp3's would not run, and it will be moved into the shop next week.. Runs like a brand new machine.
A deckel fp1 motor will run backwards if the wires are out of sink . We all know simply to switch any of the three wires to get the motor to run in the other direction.. RIGHT......?
Well , on the fp3 , I was getting blue sparks and loud noises and thought something was still wired for 440 volts.. After the knock on the head to switch one of the wires, the machine starts and runs very smoothly.
Has anyone else noticed this ???
Markus
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10-15-2009, 07:23 AM
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Deckel book
I found a book about the FP 1 in the library. It's title
Deckel Universal-Fräsmaschine FP1
Druckschrift Nr. 1002
no date
total number of pages: 70
Deckel was then still in sole proprietorship.
Does anyone know this book?
I will probably scan it in the first half of November
hudson-ch
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10-15-2009, 07:37 PM
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That document has already been scanned and is available either on the net or the Deckel CD.
I have a copy beside me.
Thanks for offering though.
Chris P
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10-16-2009, 12:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bcstractor
That document has already been scanned and is available either on the net or the Deckel CD.
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Anyone have a URL for the 'on the net' scan?
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11-13-2009, 11:37 PM
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I just got a copy of the "50 Jahre" book today. Seems pretty simple to photo each page. I have attached a photo of the first page of the relevant section done without much care.
What interest is there in this project?
Chris P
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11-14-2009, 12:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by viilari
Hello all,
Deckel publish book 75 jahre Deckel (75 years Deckel) in 1978
Does anyone see this book?I travel end of month to Munchen and
try found this book.Any suggestions where i can find book?
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Viilari
How is your Swedisch
I have some Deckelbooks in Swedish
Peter from Holland
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11-14-2009, 04:55 AM
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Deckel mysteries...
Hi guys.
Chris, I would very much like to read that. I always find the "how and why" interesting.
And I´m always trying to dig deeper into the Deckel mysteries.
Peter, if none of the Swedes chime in, I ought to be able to translate those.
Cheers
Erik
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11-14-2009, 10:01 AM
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Plastic
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A few pages of the 50 years book is available here: http://www.dialog5.com/olderdeckelhistory.htm
regards from Munich not so far from the old Deckel factory, Steff
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11-14-2009, 02:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erik
Chris, I would very much like to read that. I always find the "how and why" interesting.
And I´m always trying to dig deeper into the Deckel mysteries.
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You will find mysteries as machine tools are only covered by about 15% of the book.
Arno
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11-17-2009, 08:02 AM
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Plastic
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[QUOTE=peterve;1234226]Viilari
How is your Swedisch
I have some Deckelbooks in Swedish
Sorry, my swedish is so bad,better leave them to some swede.
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11-17-2009, 08:06 AM
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Plastic
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[QUOTE=blubb;1234400]A few pages of the 50 years book is available here: http://www.dialog5.com/olderdeckelhistory.htm
regards from Munich not so far from the old Deckel factory, Steff
Steff,do you have any idea where in Munich is best possibility to find
some book antiquariats,and try find Deckel books.I will be in Munich
24-26.11.
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