Deckel head

ome.machining · Apr 20, 2017

Hi deckel guys

Just a quick question.

A head like this, what are the main purpose with it? (Whats it used for) And what can it be expected to cost in a sale?

Best regards

Milacron · Apr 20, 2017

drilling and boring.....which the regular vertical head can do as well, but this one is better made for that purpose. Was used on the Deckel LK jig boring machine as well...although these days the vertical head is worth more than the machine !

Erik · Apr 20, 2017

It can run as fast as the High Speed head - to 6300 RPM.

It can be used for normal manual drilling with a lever, fine manual drilling using a wheel
and drilling with downfeed.

And it can't be used on an FP1 (unless you have a very rare raising block).

Because of the angular contact bearings used, you can't just rip off metal like a standard vertical head.

It's usually not cheap, but I don't know, if it can be used with your Prvomajska.

(BTW, why have you listed your country as Andorra?)

Cheers
Erik

ome.machining · Apr 21, 2017

Hi again
And thanks for your replys

I do live in Andorra now Erik.
No, just kiddin, i dont know. I will change it asap.

I'm 99% sure it won't fit my Prvomajska. Not the same size on the ways and gear are different.

In a sale, would the price be with two, or three zeros behind? Or is this a non popular head, and not worth anything?

Best regards

AlfaGTA · Apr 21, 2017

Looking for market value suggest you check out Singer's site .....i am sure he has a precision boring head or two..for sale ..
His price will be for a "like new" item...refurbished or NOS....so going price for a sale for one in your condition , likely would be at 1/2 to 1/4 what singer is asking...

Ballpark guess would be $800.00 to 1200.00. Value has everything to do with condition and yours is an unknown so value will suffer ...additionally, the kicker is that head is heavy and shipping will run the price up, so that will likely affect the final sale price if not the deal altogether.
Cheers Ross

Milacron · Apr 21, 2017

AlfaGTA said:
Looking for market value suggest you check out Singer's site .....i am sure he has a precision boring head or two..for sale ..
His price will be for a "like new" item...refurbished or NOS....so going price for a sale for one in your condition , likely would be at 1/2 to 1/4 what singer is asking...

Does Singer sell the fabric bellows for those heads ? If so, any idea what they cost ?

traditional-tools · Apr 21, 2017

Milacron said:
Does Singer sell the fabric bellows for those heads ? If so, any idea what they cost ?

This one says fine drilling head, not sure if it's the right one...

Balg fur Deckel Feinbohrkopf | eBay

Milacron · Apr 21, 2017

traditional-tools said:
This one says fine drilling head, not sure if it's the right one...

Balg fur Deckel Feinbohrkopf | eBay

Holy cow....that probably is it unfortunately.... but what a painful price....wonder why the X and Y axis bellows are so reasonable in comparison ?

AlfaGTA · Apr 21, 2017

Not justifying the price, but the boring head bellows are quite a bit more complex because they are made to form a complete closed loop (oval)
Which means each in and out segment must be separate and stitched individually together for each fold....Plus there is quite a bit of waste as each fold is cut out as an oval ring...

The regular way bellows are more or less flat and made from flat sheet with little loss.

Note the cost on that same page for the cylindrical bellows shown above the boring head version...similar in construction and similar in price.
Cheers Ross

traditional-tools · Apr 21, 2017

Milacron said:
Holy cow....that probably is it unfortunately.... but what a painful price....wonder why the X and Y axis bellows are so reasonable in comparison ?

I was going to say you should be sitting down, but figured since you've ordered some parts from Singer in the past, you were well aware.

That is a pretty hefty price, but I suspect it's the only place you could find it. If you search on Singer's site for "Balg", it's amazing how many he has. I suspect he has someone make them for him.

Milacron · Apr 21, 2017

traditional-tools said:
I was going to say you should be sitting down, but figured since you've ordered some parts from Singer in the past, you were well aware.

That is a pretty hefty price, but I suspect it's the only place you could find it. If you search on Singer's site for "Balg", it's amazing how many he has. I suspect he has someone make them for him.

A lot of Singer Deckel parts are pretty reasonable, often even less than I would have expected.....but this one....sheesh...seem like I once bought an entire LK with that head and cabinet of tooling for not much more than that....plus the bellows were in perfect condition !

traditional-tools · Apr 21, 2017

Milacron said:
A lot of Singer Deckel parts are pretty reasonable, often even less than I would have expected.....but this one....sheesh...seem like I once bought an entire LK with that head and cabinet of tooling for not much more than that....plus the bellows were in perfect condition !

I agree, some things such as screw nuts are pretty reasonable, at least enough to detour fabricating your own...

He has an electrical cabinet for an LK that is priced at 4k EUROS... :scratchchin:

But if you needed one for a production shop, where else could you really find one unless you can find one on ebay ?

Same with the Bellows is my guess...

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