Thread: Deckeldapter

Howdy all,

If anyone has a deckeldapter they would like to sell, please PM me.

Thanks,
Dave

Originally Posted by Bitfodder

Howdy all,

If anyone has a deckeldapter they would like to sell, please PM me.

Has Deckeldaper International gone bust ?? Noooooo....

http://www.gizmowizard.com/deckeldap...apter_main.htm

Material Supply problem?

I've got one but find that I use the ER32 holder from Franz Singer a lot more. Have you considered one of those?

Chris P

Originally Posted by kustomizingkid

http://www.gizmowizard.com/deckeldap...apter_main.htm

Material Supply problem?

In other words, he can't afford to buy one full length bar of steel just to make one "dapter ?

Chris,

I'm still investigating options, I was looking to use some R8 tooling that I have. The machine I got came with a collet adapter and a set of collets the ER32 may be somewhat overlap.

I'm actually working on getting the collet adapter out now. I'm sure it'll be easier when the machine is under power. I can't find an easy way to lock the spindle, I'm not sure there is a way "built-in".

It looks like many of the listings that Franz Singer has on the German Ebay site says no shipping to US. How do people usually get things from him when they live in the US?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Bitfodder

Chris,

I'm actually working on getting the collet adapter out now. I'm sure it'll be easier when the machine is under power. I can't find an easy way to lock the spindle, I'm not sure there is a way "built-in".

Thanks

Spindle should stay pretty well if you shift the main gearbox to the lowest RPM. Make sure you have the motor belt on and adjusted so it won't slip. If you require more torque than that i think
you should consider a different attack plan.

Cheers Ross

Originally Posted by Bitfodder

It looks like many of the listings that Franz Singer has on the German Ebay site says no shipping to US. How do people usually get things from him when they live in the US?

I have always just sent him an e-mail and asked for a quote for the items I wanted to purchase. Payment was via PayPal.

--Larry

Thanks for the info guys...

I have the motor disconnected (I'm replacing it) so I'll wait to try that.

Gents-

Clearly I'm not following this list regularly, or I'd have responded to this sooner.
I'm sorry, but it's true that I'm not making DeckelDapters at this time. I don't see a light at the end of this tunnel right now. Let me explain-

I started making them after suddenly finding myself unemployed. I wasn't trying to make a living at it (and that's a good thing) but more to fill my time with something creative and useful. I'd recently bought my FP1, found this list, and perceived a need. A light bulb flickered and gears turned in my head.

I started with my very crude tools. Most of the challenge was to find a way to make a product of presentable quality with a pile of old junk gathered from eBay and other random sources. I had an old Logan, and soon upgraded to a newer but still old SAG12. I do a few operations on the FP1, and a few by hand. But I'm nowhere near as well skilled or equipped as many of you on this list. I'm a relative hack, working with "stone knives and bear skins".

And I don't start with bar stock. I don't have a good way to produce a decent MT4 surface, so I start with a Morse 3/4 adapter sleeve, which has that already. This is the "raw material" I refer to. For a long time I was buying these for about $8 in "hardened tang" form from Travers Tool. The rest of the part was soft enough to cut with HSS, so once the tang was cut off I was able to machine the internal details, tap the bore, etc.

The most recent batch of sleeves I bought were hard throughout, and all of a sudden my process and tooling no longer worked. I ruined a saw blade finding out. I can only speculate why the manufacturer started selling hard sleeves as soft, but perhaps it is cheaper to just harden them all than to stock two kinds. Whatever.

Of course there are solutions to the problem. But since I began selling them - going on ten years ago now - I've saturated the global market at about 20 units. I was happy to head out to my shop for a few hours to whip one up when I got the occasional order, but I don't currently have the time or motivation to solve the metallurgy issue just to make another twenty or so over the next decade. I'm no longer unemployed, and have too many other obligations to attend to first. It's a shame, because I felt good about serving the community making this knick-knack, and figured that by doing so I was making every FP1 in R8-land more valuable. I've never had any complaints, so the 20 or so DeckelDapter sleeves I made are either still out there making chips or rusting in scrap bins. Which is it, you DeckelDapter owners out there? Did you know that you were all beta sites?

If someone knows of and could share a sure-fire source for 3/4 Morse sleeves that aren't hardened other than on the tang, I could get underway again in short order. But I'm not counting on that, so my plan B is to publish some detailed drawings of what I was making, and a general description of the process I had devised. I'll post them on the DeckelDapter website as a sort of open-source project and put a notice here. Many of you out there could improve on it, I'm sure, and carry on.

Paul

p.s. I still make the threaded rod. As long as my S20-2 die holds out, anyhow...

Originally Posted by GizmoWizard

And I don't start with bar stock. I don't have a good way to produce a decent MT4 surface, so I start with a Morse 3/4 adapter sleeve, which has that already. This is the "raw material" I refer to. For a long time I was buying these for about $8 in "hardened tang" form from Travers Tool. The rest of the part was soft enough to cut with HSS, so once the tang was cut off I was able to machine the internal details, tap the bore, etc.

The most recent batch of sleeves I bought were hard throughout, and all of a sudden my process and tooling no longer worked. I ruined a saw blade finding out. I can only speculate why the manufacturer started selling hard sleeves as soft, but perhaps it is cheaper to just harden them all than to stock two kinds. Whatever.

I had a similar problem years ago when we took Bilz style QC tap adapters with MT shanks, cut them short, turned straight, drill/tapped for 3/8NC with no. 10 set screw hole. They were case hardened, so once below surface layer easily machinable...until we encountered ones by T.M. Smith...those were hardened all the way thru. They were also the only ones we ever had that broke, so case hardening for that sort of thing is superior anyway.

Gizmo;

well I have one - maybe one of the last ones you did, and it is in regular use. It does exactly what you said it would over and over and I have never had a problem with it. I could do with a few more S20 dapter plugs theou so I don't have to keep swapping thins around.

These days I have a lot of MT4 tooling that I have collected up but your adaptor means I can cheaply use R8 when I find i need something new in a hurry. It takes ages / costs ££s to buy MT4 stuff in a hurry.

Originally Posted by AlfaGTA

Spindle should stay pretty well if you shift the main gearbox to the lowest RPM. Make sure you have the motor belt on and adjusted so it won't slip. If you require more torque than that i think
you should consider a different attack plan.

Cheers Ross

Ross, your advice worked like a charm... Sleeve out in seconds.

Thanks!