New FPS CNC Deckel to be on display at upcoming EMO show in September...

Admin5 · Jun 26, 2017

Not that any of us would actually buy the thing, but the control seems to be a departure from their previous offerings. Amazing all the different models they have now, both manual and CNC....amazing there is that much demand in Germany still for Deckel style machines at what would seem very high prices to us probably.

Although I have yet to pin them down on the price of any of their FPS Deckels... had submitted requests for pricing months ago and get ignored every time. Apparently pretty top secret info. :cool:

As an aside, if not for the colors on the control I would have assumed this was a black and white photo !

Milacron

ewlsey · Jun 26, 2017

Is that the touch screen control they use on the Datron machines?

Milacron · Jun 26, 2017

ewlsey said:
Is that the touch screen control they use on the Datron machines?

I doubt it....only similarity I see is they both have huge vertically oriented screens

Peter from Holland · Jun 26, 2017

They probbably ignored you because they will not sell to the US
I met Mr Schmidt (CEO)during the IRON TOUR and he specificly told me they will not export machines to the US
For obvious reassons (at least for all of us Europeans)

Peter

Milacron · Jun 26, 2017

Peter from Holland said:
They probbably ignored you because they will not sell to the US
I met Mr Schmidt (CEO)during the IRON TOUR and he specificly told me they will not export machines to the US
For obvious reassons (at least for all of us Europeans)

I suspected that might be the case but one would think they might have the courtesy to at least tell me that little secret in a return email....Especially considering the electronic parts I have bought from them over the years....

But then that is a different department and I doubt the machine sales folks interact with the repair folks much, if at all.

bryan_machine · Jun 26, 2017

so, for us ignorant americans, why the resistence to selling in the us?
is it all fear of liability suits? us tax law?
us commerce, labor, etc laws are surely no more onerous then those in the EU

SIP6A · Jun 26, 2017

Admin5 said:
As an aside, if not for the colors on the control I would have assumed this was a black and white photo !

Milacron

Thats not a photo its a 3D rendering.

Milacron · Jun 26, 2017

bryan_machine said:
so, for us ignorant americans, why the resistence to selling in the us?
is it all fear of liability suits? us tax law?
us commerce, labor, etc laws are surely no more onerous then those in the EU

I would wonder if they are convinced we have gone absolutely insane with the election of Trump (perhaps half the country has), but Knuzmann had the same policy before, supposedly due to the logistical problems of servicing any warranty issues...but also some concerns of lawsuits...possibly due to not getting warranty service ! (Catch 22)

But Felhmann in Switzerland, who also has no USA representation, will sell CNC machines to the USA, as one of our PM members* bought a new Fehlmann VMC a few years ago. Machines way more expensive and complex than anything FPS offers.

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*He started out thinking he would order a new Knuzmann but they refused to sell him one, thus he turned his attention to Fehlmann, and was glad he did.

Fehlmann link- manual and CNC

Sicardski · Jun 26, 2017

I wonder if that is a Siemens control?

Milacron · Jun 26, 2017

Sicardski said:
I wonder if that is a Siemens control?

Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to attend the EMO show and find out ! The post will self destruct in 3000 seconds.... :skep:

ballen · Jun 26, 2017

I'll probably go to EMO for half a day, since I live nearby. If anyone from this group visits Hannover, drop me a line please.

ewlsey · Jun 26, 2017

It would likely be really hard to sell a machine that costs as much as I assume these will cost with no US based parts or service infrastructure. Easier just to say no.

Panza · Jun 29, 2017

ballen said:
I'll probably go to EMO for half a day, since I live nearby. If anyone from this group visits Hannover, drop me a line please.

I plan to go, I will let you know when the time comes.
I was there last time, but I think I was the only one from PM there then.

Peter from Holland · Jun 29, 2017

bryan_machine said:
so, for us ignorant americans, why the resistence to selling in the us?
is it all fear of liability suits? us tax law?
us commerce, labor, etc laws are surely no more onerous then those in the EU

They have to make some adjustments to the machine
Different voltage Different dials perhaps Different safety requierments and for sure liability issues Also customer support might be a issue

Milacron · Jun 30, 2017

Peter from Holland said:
They have to make some adjustments to the machine
Different voltage Different dials perhaps Different safety requierments and for sure liability issues Also customer support might be a issue

Of course, but even with the customer willing to take the machine regardless of those differences and support difficulties, he was willing to still buy the Knuzmann and they still refused to sell him a machine !

FPS might be another story but I'll never know since they never reply....But based on your hob-nobbing with the head Bavarian "suit", sound like they would be of the same attitude as Knunzmann. :stirthepot:

Curious that the Swiss, such as Fehlmann and Schaublin are not as particular about their exports.

Peter from Holland · Jun 30, 2017

Perhaps its not so they don`t want to sell directly to the US like Fehlmann seems to do
But perhaps they know you and don`t want to give you a price as they think to know you will never buy one

Peter

Milacron · Jun 30, 2017

Peter from Holland said:
Perhaps its not so they don`t want to sell directly to the US like Fehlmann seems to do
But perhaps they know you and don`t want to give you a price as they think to know you will never buy one

Peter

i doubt anyone in machine sales there knows me but I suppose it is possible they are aware of this forum and the potential for FPS price blurt outs and subsuquent heart palpitations from members :willy_nilly:

ewlsey · Jun 30, 2017

Would anyone care to speculate on the cost? I am currently sitting down.

Milacron · Jun 30, 2017

ewlsey said:
Would anyone care to speculate on the cost? I am currently sitting down.

I really have no clue....which is why I asked.....especially interesting to me would be the price of their new "activ" FP1 version.

bryan_machine · Jun 30, 2017

They could of course be outright ignoring you.

But there are orgs (law firm I read about for example) that block, for example, all emails of any kind from any IP address associated with Africa. It's not impossible that their sales org (separate from their parts org) is using some tool to just plain block inquiries from any IP address associated with the US. It's possible for this to lead to a thing where parts dept answers email but sales doesn't.

There's also a thing in the US, that might apply to FPS too, where all email is ignored until you've had a phone conversation with them. Which means they might be ignoring all emailed price queries, and you'd have to call them on the phone to get their attention.

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