Schaublin 53N - £500 - Blackburn, UK

bikepete · Jul 16, 2016

Not been on here for a bit but couldn't let this go to scrap without a heads up... not an auction so I doubt it's spoiling anyone's bargain.

Schaublin 53N, seller is asking GBP 500, located Blackburn Lancs. See:

Schaublin 53n for sale | in Blackburn, Lancashire | Gumtree

Somewhat tempted to go and look but it's a bit big for me and and looks like more of a project than I need right now... but maybe someone wants to take it on or save for spares...

Description and images attached for posterity:

"This Milling machine has all the additional attachments. Slight damage to the oil pan nothing major. Has not run in years but as far as i knw it runs. Ive not seen it running. Open to offers."

bikepete · Jul 16, 2016

One more image:

daredo222 · Jul 16, 2016

bikepete,
If that is an actual Schaublin dividing head and vice you have a lot of your £500 just there alone. The 53N is described as follows - "In 1975 Schaublin introduced the 53N. At a glance the machine appeared virtually unchanged. However, improvements in the design included an increase in table width to 305mm (allowing an extra T-slot) and a small increase in headroom with an extra 60mm of vertical travel. Below the surface an extra motor now independently drove the power feeds which necessitated the displacement of coolant system to a separate external reservoir. A more complex electrical system was housed in an external cabinet attached to the right hand side of the frame. Always a substantial machine, improvements to the structure of the 53N took the weight from 1700kg to 2100kg." Taken from this site - Schaublin 53 milling machine - Anglo-Swiss Tools
Ray

bikepete · Jul 16, 2016

Thanks Ray - I was kinda posting it because the price is insanely cheap :-). Sure I could make the money back if I bought it, but I'm not a machine dealer and am short of both space and time... maybe someone else in the UK will be better placed to take advantage. BTW there is also a write-up on lathes.co.uk.

Jersey John · Jul 16, 2016

daredo222 said:
bikepete,
If that is an actual Schaublin dividing head and vice you have a lot of your £500 just there alone. Ray

Well I'd certainly second that ... had I been in the UK in the near future I'd be chasing that too (and the vice if it was a Schaublin swivelling one!) :drool5:

John

Charles P · Jul 17, 2016

daredo222 said:
bikepete,
If that is an actual Schaublin dividing head and vice you have a lot of your £500 just there alone.
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Yes, that is the Schaublin dividing head and tailstock in the picture. I hope someone gets a bargain

Charles

dominus164 · Jul 18, 2016

find the similarities...

I was searching for more info for this mill and guess what i have found...

https://www.bidspotter.co.uk/it-it/...0003/lot-dfc73914-9440-40ad-9d81-a21300f0c131

So this mill was in good working condition not that long ago.
Also it got a vice as a bonus.
To be fair i talk on the phone with the seller and his waiting for someone to check.
If not i will try to pair that old beauty with the Swedish iron.

Also i saw those 2 pictures...
Could it be...

Jersey John · Jul 18, 2016

You mean the geared arbor required for the "Slotting" head"

Kees · Jul 19, 2016

I was interested , mailed but got no answer. Now I see it's sold. So, who bought it? Peter, did you?

bikepete · Jul 19, 2016

Yes, sorry. Couldn't resist - went over today and bought it. Condition much better than original pics suggested. Took all loose parts with me... will be happy to pass the geared arbor to a good home at some point - don't think I'll ever get the slotting head.

Seller is a really nice guy. He 'inherited' it when he took over the building about five years ago. It's now a car dealership/workshop.

Anyone know some good machinery movers in the north of England? Think 2.1 tons is a bit beyond DIY for me - more than my car will tow for a start!

Jersey John · Jul 19, 2016

Hi Pete ... give Steve at Bowland Trading a call 01200 422229 Bowland Trading Ltd

They are a machinery seller but know movers in the area.

Good luck

John :cheers:

dominus164 · Jul 19, 2016

Nice score Pete but you know what they say.
No pictures - doesn't happened.
Good luck moving this beauty.
Kyriakos

bikepete · Jul 19, 2016

Thanks John - will do tomorrow.

Kyriakos - your wish is my command :-)

Just had my mobile phone camera. Two of the machine after I'd detached the coolant tank and removed loose bits:

Next post will show tooling/accessories haul...

bikepete · Jul 19, 2016

Some sorting out to do!:

bikepete · Jul 19, 2016

After a first look through (and separation of cutters from parts!) it bears out the idea as per the Bidspotter info that this was once used for gear making. No fewer than 41 change gears in there (up to 112!), plus seven index plates, plus the banjo for gearing the dividing head to the table feed for helical cutting. Fairly sure I also have extension pieces for the dividing head drive.

Not a lot in terms of taper tooling, just the horizontal arbors and a MT1 adaptor. Plus what look like misc bits of Clarkson chucks. Plus that geared arbor.

One thing I was looking for but don't have is a spindle drawbar... easy enough to make one I guess.

Also a few unknown bits. More pics tomorrow.

Kees · Jul 19, 2016

bikepete said:
Yes, sorry. Couldn't resist

No need to apologize , glad you took it. To many machines like this are lost to far-away countries.

I was interested for just one application were this machine is perfect for.

It is a really great and versatile milling machine with the famous Schaublin quality. For most hobbyist it's to large and heavy .Please keep us posted how things turn out!

bikepete · Jul 19, 2016

Kees said:
For most hobbyist it's to large and heavy

Yes indeed! Getting it transported will be painful to the wallet I suspect. And I'm not 100% sure how strong the concrete floor is, where it will be placed. Hope it will be OK :-)

It's going to be tight (in a single garage size workshop) and starting tomorrow I'm going to have to start selling some other stuff to clear space. When it's up and running I will have to sell my Deckel FP1 :-(

Also it means that if something does go wrong (or even just for cleaning) I am really pushed for space to put disassembled machine parts...

But I have found the limited travel on the FP1 (x-axis 240mm on my model) increasingly restrictive so have been on the lookout for something larger. And the 53N is the absolute max size that will fit :-)

Did have my eye on this too, but can't justify that sort of money...

Kees · Jul 19, 2016

Specialized machine-movers know what they are doing but are expensive. Try to find someone who owns a truck with a crane. For example a building/construction company or a scrapyard in your neighbourhood. They often have such trucks running around for their own transports and I found out sometimes they are willing to help you at reasonable price. Just make sure you are there yourself when transporting the machine as most drivers have no clue how to handle machines.

From a FP1 (first generation I assume) to a 53N, now that is what I call an improvement.I think you made a good choice, you almost never can go wrong with a Schaublin.

bikepete · Jul 20, 2016

Kees said:
From a FP1 (first generation I assume)

Yes, change gear model, MT4. Serial number dates it to 1942 IIRC. One of the plates on it suggests it was first used in a WW2 German munitions factory...

So far I have requested quotes from four machinery movers - phoned then sent a PDF with photos of each location, lifting instructions etc. Just one has replied with a price so far, highish (GBP 750ish) but bearable I think.

Bowland Trading were very helpful BTW - looked into doing it themselves but decided against and recommended a local specialist.

Also looked into possible DIY options - hiring a towing vehicle, borrowing a trailer, arranging lifting from farmers with telehandlers... but the sheer hassle of it (and risk) for the sake of a few hundred pounds doesn't seem worth it, and I'm busy with other work anyway.

I did also look into local Hiab hire places etc but the cost would still be fairly large (Blackburn is about 2 hours drive away) and I'd feel a lot happier with people who know what they're doing skidding it around before they can lift it with the Hiab.

So I reckon I'll go with the professionals...

Also turns out there's a manual set available via lathes.co.uk so I have ordered that.

Am now busy making wheeled bases for all of my existing machines so they can be moved quickly out of the way (outside, in fact - hoping for good weather!) when the 53N arrives!

Jersey John · Jul 20, 2016

Hi Pete ...

Glad Bowland were helpful even if you didn't use them

Let us know what the move costs ... have plans in the melting pot

John

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