Confused about lineup
Close
Login to Your Account
Results 1 to 9 of 9
  1. #1
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    NS, Canada
    Posts
    86
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    42
    Likes (Received)
    29

    Default Confused about lineup

    Browsing machines, drooling over stuff I'd buy if I won a particularly large lottery...

    I'm very confused about DMG Mori's machines. Turn-Mill for instance. They list 3 lines: CTX, NTX and NT. Does the NT even exist anymore? I got the impression that was their old generation, to be retired. If so, why is it still there? (Globally, I checked different countries' websites)

    And is the ctx the "budget" version? Or are they just "different"? Does the ctx come from the dmg heritage and the nt(x) from Mori?

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Near Seattle
    Posts
    4,220
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    2156
    Likes (Received)
    969

    Default

    I think CTX was a style of lathe for DMG for some time. CTXEco is the "value" version of the same lathe - very similar to the German lathe (a few diffs) but made in PRC or Poland (I have a CTX Eco) CTX Eco is "budget" but seems to me that CTX might or might not be.

    NT was the Mori Lathe with b-axis head.

    Not sure the origin of NTX.

    Things won't go away if customers want them....

  3. #3
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    NS, Canada
    Posts
    86
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    42
    Likes (Received)
    29

    Default

    Ok, cool. As far as I know the x suffix is just the next generation - and they mostly existed as mori seiki prior to the merge.

    I wish it was easier to find data on machines on builders' websites, but I suppose they don't care too much about tire kickers and would rather start a dialog with anyone serious so they can start applying sales pressure.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Country
    AFGHANISTAN
    Posts
    3
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    2
    Likes (Received)
    1

    Default

    Isent the NT still the best? And the ntx a newer cheaper machine? I have some years in NT's really fun machine to play with

    Sent fra min SM-G920F via Tapatalk

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Pittsburgh PA
    Posts
    818
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    98

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JMillar View Post
    Browsing machines, drooling over stuff I'd buy if I won a particularly large lottery...

    I'm very confused about DMG Mori's machines. Turn-Mill for instance. They list 3 lines: CTX, NTX and NT. Does the NT even exist anymore? I got the impression that was their old generation, to be retired. If so, why is it still there? (Globally, I checked different countries' websites)

    And is the ctx the "budget" version? Or are they just "different"? Does the ctx come from the dmg heritage and the nt(x) from Mori?
    I could go more in depth. But In short, all of these machines existed before the merger. Both companies were/are on the cutting edge of small/medium mill turns.

    So each company had a few models to cover a a few areas.

    The Ctx beta tc= DMG smaller entry level,Iron bed, Graziano(except 2000 is old gamma, mineral cast bed)

    CTX GammaTC = DMG larger top class, mineral cast bed, Bielefeld

    NTX= Mori smaller iron 3 point bed(still over 33k lbs.), more compact, minimal foundation needed, target market= medical etc.

    NT= Mori Large heavy Iron bed, Box in Box concept same as ntx but more profound, will need a decent foundation.

    DMG CTX TC = Seimens

    Mori NT/NTX = Fanuc

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Country
    NORWAY
    Posts
    781
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    259
    Likes (Received)
    154

    Default

    CTX existed in the Gildemeister lineup. The packaging is different now but the specs are not that different.
    NTX: Bed/ways.
    CTX: Linear ways.
    Over here you can get Siemens or Heidenhain on NTX too.

  7. Likes Demon73 liked this post
  8. #7
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Pittsburgh PA
    Posts
    818
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    98

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Panza View Post
    CTX existed in the Gildemeister lineup. The packaging is different now but the specs are not that different.
    NTX: Bed/ways.
    CTX: Linear ways.
    Over here you can get Siemens or Heidenhain on NTX too.
    I think you are confusing the NLX with the NTX.

    The NTX has roller ways.

    I was told you could get Seimens or Heidenhain on Mori Machines in the USA.

    I know they are more or less one company now, but when I say Mori I mean the Japanese machines built in Japan.I mean if you put a porsche badge on a honda it does not make it a porsche.

    But was advised not to, because a departure from the standard oem speced control might give less desirable results.

    At least on a 5 axis Machine. Maybe not a problem on a 3 or or 4 axis turning center, especially if they (Mori/Japan) have seat time doing many for the european market.

    The Seimens seems better than the Fanuc. But I really don't know.Like anything else, probably pros and cons to both.

    Perhaps since there is some overlap in the line they use the control as a tie breaker.A shop with Fanucs already, will probably sway that direction and vise versa, with other aspects being fairly equal.

    I think with their Celos they are trying to mitigate control differences, and the fact that most customers will be be using some kind of CAM will also put a buffer between the control.

  9. #8
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Country
    NORWAY
    Posts
    781
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    259
    Likes (Received)
    154

    Default

    yzfr1pwr: Yes, you're right, I meant NLX. I don't know why I wrote NTX.
    I have not run the Siemens control myself, but I got a demonstration and it seemed ok. Not as easy as Mazatrol, but I am pretty sure I could get used to it.

  10. #9
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Country
    UNITED STATES
    State/Province
    North Carolina
    Posts
    11
    Post Thanks / Like
    Likes (Given)
    0
    Likes (Received)
    3

    Default

    The Japanese built NT is the only model worth considering. Be prepared to pour a foundation if you want accurate results long term. The NTX is a newer, cheaper design that has some short comings. Take a close look at the lower turret design.


Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •