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Price of welding gasses

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Every Time I buy welding gasses I am amazed at the price. They tell me what a good deal I am getting so why do I have trouble walking after paying he bill? Here is what I just payed, 2 "T" argon, 670 cf $124.18... 1 "S" oxygen, 154 cf $24.00... 2 #4 acetylene, 260 cf $137.80... How does this compare with what you are paying?
 
About inline - better than over here from one of the more cost effective suppliers. My 20 liter 200 bar argon tank is about £60 a go but that does include £10 collection of old - delivery of new literally to my door.

Go BOC here and you get to pay £100+ annually just for tank rental and a lovely £17.50 bottle collection charge for the paper work when you collect even from there depot! Delivery is north of £40 from them last time i looked. Oxygen cost then on top of that, but is around your $24 a bottle. No idea on acetylene, i cut with propane like most people over here and the pentane type gases which are near as hot as acetylene have been becoming ever more popular since the acetylene supply issues we had a few years back.

My problem with walking post gas fill is normally related to lifting the bottles, its why i like the 20 liter size like my argon tanks, you can move em with out risk of major physical strain!
 
Yeah, the "T" size argon bottle weighs in at about 180 lbs, I put a lift gate on my truck, sure makes it easy to load them. Praxair's delivery charge is stupid high so I haul them myself as the depot is near a customer I deliver to about once a week anyway.
 
Gases were dirt cheap when I started welding almost 70 years ago. Even considering the large amount of inflation since the late 1940's, I think that the current price has exceeded the inflation rate. Most hydrocarbons have increased more than inflation, but I think that gasoline is a bargain today. In cleaning out an old trunk, L found receipts showing that my father paid 22.9 cents per gallon of regular during the mid 1930's. The $2.189 I paid for my last fill is way less if the inflation rate is cranked in.

Jim
 
Go BOC here and you get to pay £100+ annually just for tank rental and a lovely £17.50 bottle collection charge for the paper work when you collect even from there depot! Delivery is north of £40 from them last time i looked. !

Don't get me started on BOC - robbing bastards is only for starters, I'm sure they're owned and run by the Cosa Nostra :(
 
And its only going to get worse. Air Liquide bought Airgas earlier this year to form the largest worldwide industrial gas supplier. And Linde and Praxair just announced a merger so they would be larger than Air Liquide.

As an occasional user you have no purchasing power. If the truck delivers several bottles a week and you have dewars for one or two gasses you are a desirable customer. Otherwise, they would prefer you didn't bother them.
 
your prices are not out of line.
when we are working on a big project, its not uncommon for me to spend close to a grand a month on gas.

the problem is- welding gases are not a big enough market to even exist on their own.
The infrastructure to extract most of these gases costs tens of millions per plant.

industrial gases are made for other, much larger and more profitable industries- plastics manufacturing, for instance.

welding is a tiny percentage of the total- well under 5% as I understand it.
So we are simply a blip on the radar.
If all welding argon sales ended, the plants would barely notice.

Also, shipping is a big price factor.
The plant that makes your argon was sited where it is because its near a huge industrial user. Doesnt matter if you are in a huge urban area- Chicago's welding companies use less than a single big factory does.
Praxair had built large oxygen extraction plants (of which argon is a very minor side product) in the south to supply new steel mills in the mid 2000's.
If steel production slows down, oxygen demand slows, and argon production is less as a result, so argon prices go up.
And the largest single user is the oil and gas industry- and to them argon is not even a product- its waste material.
If the US production shifts, as it has, from oil to natural gas, it affects who wants industrial gases, where. And it affects our prices.

All of this doesnt care one whit what I, or other small argon users, say- we are so small in the scheme of things they dont even see us.
 
When you buy tanker loads every month, they price it by the gallon...

However, I have found there are still some Lone wolf (not affiliated with any brand)
"bottle fillers" that deal in oxygen (for the medical users) and argon.

But usually not acetylene, nor much of anything else.
 
If it makes you feel better about welding gasses the price of Xenon gas has multiplied in recent years. A few years ago a lab I was working at experienced a dramatic price increase (300% or greater if memory serves me).

As for welding gasses I haven't seen too many examples where gigantic mergers and acquisitions resulted in lower price for anything. Expect the big box stores to have massive price increases if they ever get rid of the smaller competition.
 
What ever happened to the upcoming world wide shortage of He? Supposed to be in our lifetimes it will become too expensive for commercial use. It is left over from the forming of the earth and once it is used it floats off into space.
Bill D.
 
What ever happened to the upcoming world wide shortage of He? Supposed to be in our lifetimes it will become too expensive for commercial use. It is left over from the forming of the earth and once it is used it floats off into space.
Bill D.

when helium prices went up so much, those socialist Norwegians actually went looking for more, and found a bunch.
Helium discovery a 'game-changer' - BBC News
Norway's Revolutionary Helium Discovery Saves Humanity - for Seven Years
Teslas dont buy themselves, ya know.
(Norway has the highest per capita electric car ownership in the world, with huge tax breaks on Teslas)

so we are ok for now, in terms of helium.

technically, you can extract helium using an oxygen plant, but its expensive, and you get tiny tiny percentages of it- much more profitable to find big amounts, in higher concentrations, underground. Its estimated that it costs 10,000 times as much to extract it from air, as from natural gas...
 
I buy a moderate amount of gas 1-3 12 packs of N2 a week, and 2 dures of LN2 argon is around ~0.07 / ft^3

Sometimes we buy truckloads of LN2 I think we spend about 1-3k/month with our supplier

If you can take low pressure and use alot of argon, try liquid argon + heat sink i believe it to be much cheaper that way.
 
Every Time I buy welding gasses I am amazed at the price. They tell me what a good deal I am getting so why do I have trouble walking after paying he bill? Here is what I just payed, 2 "T" argon, 670 cf $124.18... 1 "S" oxygen, 154 cf $24.00... 2 #4 acetylene, 260 cf $137.80... How does this compare with what you are paying?

I just pulled an invoice. I paid $178.60 for 348CF of Stargon, $88.70 for 154CF of oxygen, and $74.80 for 130CF of acetylene. That was in August from Praxair.

I'm paying about 3 times what you pay.
 
I just pulled an invoice. I paid $178.60 for 348CF of Stargon, $88.70 for 154CF of oxygen, and $74.80 for 130CF of acetylene. That was in August from Praxair.

I'm paying about 3 times what you pay.

That sucks, I would be talking to them about price for sure. Stargon is argon/co2 mix for wire welding right? It says stargold on my argon/co2 bottle....I have not bought any for a year or so, I don't do much wire welding. That price for oxygen is nuts.
 








 
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