Guess I'll jump in here...........
Like dkmc the price was too high .........so I made both of them.
First build was for the little 25 ton mechanical, simple check on 'bay and all kinds of linear parts showed up at the shop.
Unit is a simple center mounted design, hand crank adjust in/out, is adjustable for vertical too.
Made thousands of bends with this little brake for a build we did. From tiny 3" wide parts up to capacity (still use it) Needed tools to adjust fingers, works Ok.
New on going project is making a backgauge for my newer 10" hydraulic brake.
Brake is an older Pacific, non CNC.
So.......... off to 'bay again, and more linear goodies show up at rock bottom prices
This time around two rail assemblies were used,(like the big boys),
mulitiple fingers mounted on linear rail, (easily adjustable no tools)
22" max bend depth, 8' 6" finger rail width, mixture of Thomson, THK, Rexroth and a few misc vendors
Solved reverse bends by using punmatics on fingers.
Using a DRo to set depth, hand crank adjust ..for now.
Learing PLC's as i write, so unit will be driven via stepper or servo(not sure yet) via touch pad.
Plus as najnielkp said, I built the system, no high cost tech fees or OEM crap to put up with.
This stuff is not rocket science
najnielkp......lots of keen interest in your solution here!
I hope this thread continues.....
MwTech...have you checked out: http://www.unitronics.com/Content.aspx?page=All_In_One
No,, just looked at them.
I am using products from Automation Direct.
HAve bought stuff from these guys for years.
Like DKMC, I want see pic's!!! I just sent my Hurco Autobend 5 for repair, it shows a fault, and Hurco didn't know where the guy was coming from to estimate his mileage. If the control is scrap I still have the backgauge itself, and was hoping to use a PC and this mach 3 program to still use (don't know much about cnc's). Sure look's like it will work to me.Mach3 dynomotion Cnc press brake - YouTube
Originally Posted by najnielkp
My Hurco is a single axis, but the gauge itself is on fine thread screws with dials, don't really see a big deal in making it two axis. The one in the video could be easily made into a 3 axis.
And for the person who said this "home hobby", who the hell has a 14' 180 ton press brake in there garage? A LOT of people all around this forum, really need take a damn chill pill. This forum is to gain knowledge, home hobbyist or not. There has been a lot of threads about finding machinists, maybe people people don't want work next to some ass hole all day long, like some of the folks on this board. Rant Over.
Edster - Okuma's software guy told me the following (2008 I think) - not sure which models this would apply to.
a. Their controller (which is *not* a "pc") uses standard Intel parts, though in mil-spec form. ("pc" could mean a lot of things - a machine can run an x86 instruction set and not be what we think of as a "pc")
b. Their controller (runs the machine) and windows environment (runs the add-ons/mt-connect etc.) are running the same hardware over the top of a hypevisor (virtual machine) built around Tron. This makes perfect sense - it would mean that the controller software stack wins all debates about how who gets to run when.
They complained that windows is "hard to virtualize" to which I merely smiled.... (I worked on Windows for 20 years.)
Heidenhein did (maybe still does) build an actual "dual" setup with HH running on one and windows on the other. (I didn't buy it...)
BUT - the key point you are probably trying to get at is when an MTB talks about "windows based" it's not clear what they really mean - and having some very hard real-time stack own the machine with windows running in the gaps is an obvious configuration. Having what amount to 2 computers running in parallel is othe other obvious solution.
interested to see that as well
Originally Posted by dkmc
but I'm no machinist, just ttrying to expand ,my small line of work, and only setting up my first CNC plasma table (mach3 and a pc if I can ever make it all work)
CNC Press Brake Back Gauge and Ram Control
The justification of a CNC back gauge is a no brainer, why are you worried about the price? Scrap, time, trouble all are reduced by far more than the initial investment. I do caution however retrofitting a CNC back gauge to a worn out or inaccurate Press Brake because the best CNC back gauge will not improve angular performance, in fact it may make it worse if you include the ram axis! db
I bet you repair press brakes and back gauges.
Originally Posted by Doctor Bender
Maybe even retrofit new ones?
Whilst i have never studied press breaks much before they do seam pretty simple creatures when it comes to bend angle. Two separately controlled rams, one each end and a glass DRO type scale reading ram position each end. On the Amada top beam is guided by some nice big eccentric adjustable guide rollers. Hard to see how they would ever wear out and even if they did replacement is easy. Glass scales never wear out just die of old age, but again are redialy avalible. The top tool's has holders on little wedge like set-ups i presume to take up adjust camber and get a good bend every time. The bend seams even all the way across hence have never messed with them.
The hydraulics are all commercial available parts. hence could be easily and cheaply rebuilt as problems arise.
If i was going to convert a old one i would definitely be contemplating the how too add some kind of auto bend angle calculation. Should be very possible to watch and chart ram force bassed on hydrulic pressure over distance moved to take into account both spring back and uneven plate thickness. By far its the crap varying plate thickness that accounts for most of my varying bend angles. A lot of what im bending is speckled at square to under 0.5mm in 150mm. A sheet often varies by 0.2mm thick across its width, hence a constant chase keeping part's in tolerance. I never realised that such a minor thickness change throws a brake out so far till i started doing it!
Repair and retrofit Press Brake
I have been working with Press Brakes since 1970. It would be safe to say Iíve done it all! db
Originally Posted by dkmc
And besides that you're in Strippit country.....
najnielkp......any chance to get some pics yet??
Ran across this in my files today. Their "Easygage" stop system says "Do it youself pricing starts at $2,990" so maybe they are a little cheaper than TigerStop anyway.
Automec Backgauge the Leader in Retrofitting Pressbrakes & Shears
That's interesting.......I'll check that out.
Kinda puzzling that I've googled 'press brake back gauge', 'tiger stop', etc, etc, etc, and this one never came up.
Your fans are cheering for you........come back......bring pictures.......