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09-14-2006, 10:30 AM
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Diamond
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Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: St Louis
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There's only about ten billion copies of MH floating around....the supply of them should last another century or two
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Maybe, MH is on decent paper.
Actually, though, the book thing is an insidious threat....
Just about every book now existing will be gone in 50 years. The paper will disintegrate, since old books will then be 150 years old, and new ones are printed on wood pulp paper, which has a short life.
All info will then come from the internet....or new "E-books", or the few scanned old books, all on subjects deemed acceptable and interesting, of course.
Steam engines? BAD BAD, polluting devices, better forgotten.... ditto for nasty science topics, etc..... May be extreme, but its possible. The potential for historicl revision is expanding rapidly as books disappear.
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09-14-2006, 11:19 AM
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Titanium
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: North(very) West(very) Ohio...near exit 13 on OH turnpike
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I have MH that are more than 50 years old I think ?? The old ones are good reading too. I would still give a first year Apprentice a MH sorry 
I have the one my dad gave me as high school grad present, signed and dated.
Bill
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09-14-2006, 11:31 AM
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Diamond
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Join Date: Dec 2000
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I would still give a first year Apprentice a MH sorry
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Have you examined a copy of HMI ? If you have carefully compared the two books and then make that statement, that's fine. But if you are making that statment out of ignorance it's not so fine.
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09-14-2006, 11:50 AM
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Aluminum
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: N.S Canada
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Well D.Thomas "My thought is throw MH in the trashcan once you get HMI." I haven't gotten any books as of yet in that league.So if you do decide to throw it out,how about just freecycle it my way.I would gladly pay shipping.
Thanx
Alan
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09-14-2006, 11:52 AM
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Hot Rolled
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Lost Angeles
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D. I agree, I really like this book seems to be easier to use and the info easier to get at. Then again, I really liked Machine Shop Trade Secrets and siad so, only to be rebuffed by Home shop guys saying they didn't learn anything and it was a waste of thier money. Anyway I too think this is a good replacement for MH. - matt
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09-14-2006, 12:05 PM
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Diamond
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Beaufort, SC, USA
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Hitlist, I was just kidding about the "trashcan" bit...I too can't stand to throw out any books that have even the tiniest possiblity of useful info in them. Still, now that I have HMI, I would sell my MH edition 24...it's my 'office' copy...so no grease marks on the pages....how much ya gimme for it ? 
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09-14-2006, 12:27 PM
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Titanium
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Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Bentley, Louisiana
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Maybe some Axl Rose for RR.
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heheheh
You knew I was a fan, huh? [img]smile.gif[/img]
Evan, I'm a big Heavy Metal fan too.
Well, I have a Machinery's Handbook, and I usually have to "triangulate" information, with it as one point. Case in point was when I wanted to make an L00 spindle nose to fit my dividing head. (It let me share chucks with the lathe)
Some measurements were in MH, others in an engineer's handbook, and still another (length of key or something) was in American Machinist's Handbook.
Ever had to look up info like that, anybody? Seems that different books had different portions of the info I needed. When my brother had a calibration lab to run, he ran into that all the time. Tech manuals on transmissions, forklifts, autos can be the same way, even between old and newer versions covering the same models.
Richard
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09-14-2006, 12:50 PM
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Titanium
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Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Bentley, Louisiana
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Humorously, the one irritant with HMI is they also waste paper with charts on Brown and Sharpe tapers ! [Smile]
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I have cut one B&S taper. I think it was a #11. The charts have helped me determine what the heck tapers might end up being from time-to-time. The obscure charts can still be handy.
I recently got a hydraulic handbook, and it showed info on ports, flange mounts for pumps, calculating gpm of unknown pumps, etc. I like that type of book.
Richard
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09-14-2006, 12:59 PM
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Titanium
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Williams Lake, BC, Canada
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I have MH on CD. A person on one of the boards gave it to me. While a very nice gesture I can see why. It's impossible to find anything.
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09-14-2006, 01:02 PM
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Aluminum
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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How much would you let it go for? D.
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09-14-2006, 01:09 PM
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Cast Iron
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah USA
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The more books out there the better..I have a lot of "machining" related books at home..old and new...I can't wait till I get a copy...
The sad thing is that I actually am collecting all of the editions of MH..I don't know why, I also use to collect beanie babies...
I guess I am a little "stranger" than I would like to admit..
brent
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09-14-2006, 01:11 PM
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Aluminum
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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Evan- Is all the information on the disk?That would be handy to have also.Maybe just rearrange it and burn a good copy.
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09-14-2006, 01:12 PM
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Diamond
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, TN, USA
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I was looking for some Ixx values (moment of inertia of the cross-section) for S-shaped steel I-beams in HMI last night.
Not there.
The page is bookmarked in MH.......
Oh well, can't have it all [img]smile.gif[/img]
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09-14-2006, 01:13 PM
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Aluminum
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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BSPOOH....too late...lol..
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09-14-2006, 01:29 PM
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Aluminum
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: N.S Canada
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Are you still here D.Thomas? I PMed you.
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09-14-2006, 01:29 PM
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Diamond
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Join Date: Jun 2006
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I have a '49 copy of the Tool Engineers Handbook. Comes in real handy. Especially since I havnt be able to find my copy of Machinerys Handbook since I moved last...
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09-14-2006, 01:35 PM
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Junior Member
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: SARASOTA, FL
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For the average HSM the "Model Engineer's Handbook" has most of the techincal info needed except for CNC tooling, and it's less than $10 from Tee publishing (1995)
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09-14-2006, 01:37 PM
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Diamond
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Beaufort, SC, USA
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Matt, that's good to know, can you give the possible index words to look up so I can confirm you didn't miss it somehow ?
To counter that, note that someone was asking about taps smaller than no. 0 recently and they reported no info on microtaps in MH... 0 as far as MH went. Tap information goes to 0000 in HMI. But here again, could be an 'edition' thing...perhaps the very latest MH does have microtap info ?
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09-14-2006, 01:45 PM
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Titanium
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Williams Lake, BC, Canada
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Hitlist,
All the information is there. I haven't looked at the file format to see if it's possible to extract it. It would be a big job and just a lot easier to buy the paper edition.
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09-14-2006, 01:57 PM
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Aluminum
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: N.S Canada
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Evan - Thought it was worth mentioning.
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