JohnMartin
Hot Rolled
- Joined
- Jul 8, 2006
- Location
- Cumberland, Maine
I've got an old Mighty Mac shredder/grinder, with an 8 horse Tecumseh engine. Aluminum block.
Noticed that the intake manifold was coming loose, and had to remove the muffler to get at the screws. Muffler was held on by two long 5/16 - 18 hex head screws which pass through spacers inside the muffler. One came loose after PB Blaster, waiting, and some pretty healthy wrenching. The other snapped off a couple of threads proud of the block. It's got maybe 1/2" of screw in the block.
Tried to drill the broken piece out, using a standard HSS 1/8" bit. Wanted to make a centered pilot hole, then drill with a larger bit, try Easy-Out, then most likely drill larger and pick out the threads. Got in maybe 1/8" or so and it started to squeal. Then tried another bit, which I used Tap-Free with. Instant squeal and no chips. Think I must have work hardened it. It doesn't look like stainless steel as it's got some rust, but I suppose it could be. Or maybe just some work-hardening alloy steel.
1. Can I use an O/A torch to anneal the screw? Any worry about the aluminum block?
2. Any chance a cobalt bit would cut it, or are they only slightly harder? I'm guessing carbide would have no problem with it even in the work-hardened state, but I don't have any carbide bits. I've been drilling with a hand-held drill - with carbide I'd probably have to mount the engine on the horizontal mill to drill it. I could do that, but I'm hoping there is an easier way. Mounting it, and drilling on the backside of the work, would be a PITA. Plus, I'd have to find some carbide drills. Straight flute the best for this?
3. I know that alum, nitric acid and some proprietary products will remove steel taps without hurting aluminum. Since this is a screw, however, with no flutes to allow the fluid to work along the length of the threads, I'm thinking it would take forever. If I am able to drill it, and then drill larger until I hit some threads, that would speed things up and might be an option. I'm still not sure, though, that the screw might not be stainless. If it is, do the chemicals work on stainless?
4. I could take the engine down to the local machine shop, and have him try the "weld on a washer and nut" trick, but I'd rather not mess up the pilot hole I've started if it might be of some use, as it's well-centered.
I've got a couple of tricks for centering holes on broken studs or screws that I haven't seen others use, although many of you may use them. If the screw is broken off down in the hole with a few threads showing, I'll drill a hole through a new screw on a lathe, then thread that new screw into the hole and use it to center the drill. Works well even if the break is jagged and angled. If the screw is broken above the hole, as this one is, I'll do the same thing - except that I'll also tap out a piece of hex stock, face it on one end, and screw it down on the remaining threads, like a coupler nut. Run the drilled screw down through it until it hits the broken piece, and the pilot hole will be on center. If the screw is broken off flush I clamp on a plate to guide the drill, but the center location is then a guess.
4. I don't think the local shop has an EDM machine, but I could probably find one that does. Do those remove broken screws as well as they do taps? If so, any idea of the typical cost?
5. If I can anneal it, should I again try the pilot hole and then open up larger method, or drill to final size in a single pass? I like the pilot hole method to keep the hole centered, but if it's going to work harden again and break the corners off my larger drills, I'll do it in one pass. I still like the idea of trying the Easy-Out and drilling larger and picking out the threads only if (likely) the Easy-Out fails, but if the Easy-Out has a chance....
6. Any other thoughts?
Thanks,
John Martin
Noticed that the intake manifold was coming loose, and had to remove the muffler to get at the screws. Muffler was held on by two long 5/16 - 18 hex head screws which pass through spacers inside the muffler. One came loose after PB Blaster, waiting, and some pretty healthy wrenching. The other snapped off a couple of threads proud of the block. It's got maybe 1/2" of screw in the block.
Tried to drill the broken piece out, using a standard HSS 1/8" bit. Wanted to make a centered pilot hole, then drill with a larger bit, try Easy-Out, then most likely drill larger and pick out the threads. Got in maybe 1/8" or so and it started to squeal. Then tried another bit, which I used Tap-Free with. Instant squeal and no chips. Think I must have work hardened it. It doesn't look like stainless steel as it's got some rust, but I suppose it could be. Or maybe just some work-hardening alloy steel.
1. Can I use an O/A torch to anneal the screw? Any worry about the aluminum block?
2. Any chance a cobalt bit would cut it, or are they only slightly harder? I'm guessing carbide would have no problem with it even in the work-hardened state, but I don't have any carbide bits. I've been drilling with a hand-held drill - with carbide I'd probably have to mount the engine on the horizontal mill to drill it. I could do that, but I'm hoping there is an easier way. Mounting it, and drilling on the backside of the work, would be a PITA. Plus, I'd have to find some carbide drills. Straight flute the best for this?
3. I know that alum, nitric acid and some proprietary products will remove steel taps without hurting aluminum. Since this is a screw, however, with no flutes to allow the fluid to work along the length of the threads, I'm thinking it would take forever. If I am able to drill it, and then drill larger until I hit some threads, that would speed things up and might be an option. I'm still not sure, though, that the screw might not be stainless. If it is, do the chemicals work on stainless?
4. I could take the engine down to the local machine shop, and have him try the "weld on a washer and nut" trick, but I'd rather not mess up the pilot hole I've started if it might be of some use, as it's well-centered.
I've got a couple of tricks for centering holes on broken studs or screws that I haven't seen others use, although many of you may use them. If the screw is broken off down in the hole with a few threads showing, I'll drill a hole through a new screw on a lathe, then thread that new screw into the hole and use it to center the drill. Works well even if the break is jagged and angled. If the screw is broken above the hole, as this one is, I'll do the same thing - except that I'll also tap out a piece of hex stock, face it on one end, and screw it down on the remaining threads, like a coupler nut. Run the drilled screw down through it until it hits the broken piece, and the pilot hole will be on center. If the screw is broken off flush I clamp on a plate to guide the drill, but the center location is then a guess.
4. I don't think the local shop has an EDM machine, but I could probably find one that does. Do those remove broken screws as well as they do taps? If so, any idea of the typical cost?
5. If I can anneal it, should I again try the pilot hole and then open up larger method, or drill to final size in a single pass? I like the pilot hole method to keep the hole centered, but if it's going to work harden again and break the corners off my larger drills, I'll do it in one pass. I still like the idea of trying the Easy-Out and drilling larger and picking out the threads only if (likely) the Easy-Out fails, but if the Easy-Out has a chance....
6. Any other thoughts?
Thanks,
John Martin