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Bob E

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I'm subcontracted to be in Monterey, Mexico for a plant maintenance project. A couple questions:

What tooling suppliers can I access there? Travers is at least one.

Is 1045 TGP shafting called the same or different?

Any must see....or stay away from sites???
 
Do not enter without having personal possession of the Mex. Gov't. work permitting stuff.
Allowing any 3rd party to take care of details 'for you'....sometimes backfires rudely.
Risk immediate detention for days+ in Mexican jail.
 
I did a job in Mexico. It was not much fun.

I needed parts and they had to come from the US. There doesn't seem to really be any kind of shipping infrastructure in Mexico. Most things are shipped by freight or by private couriers. Every company will have a small loading dock door and there are little white trucks come and go all day. If you need something, they just send a little white truck to get it.

But, it takes forever. I was there to install a spindle drive. I arrived Tuesday morning and found that the keypad was missing. I finally received it Friday afternoon. I had to move my flight twice.

Don't rent a car. You can take a bus to almost any city. Taxi cabs are very reasonably priced. My Spanish is pretty rough but the plant engineers spoke pretty good English, so they could get me a cab ride each day.

There are tons of Americans and Europeans working in Mexico at any given time. I ran into dozens of Americans at my hotel. But, working in Mexico is tough. The infrastructure is just terrible. Even in large factories the internet service will go out for several hours every day. Cell service is pretty bad, especially internet on a smart phone.

It's a whole other world.
 
I have a lot of experience traveling Mexico and I will tell you: just do your work, watch yourself, No Nightlife! and get out. Party when you get home.
 
Hotel - work, go nowhere else. The place is controlled by the cartell. You can very easily end up in trouble you can not get out of. When we raced in Monterey all the team semi's traveled together in a convoy with lots of heavily armed police to avoid being hijacked. Do not drink, the place is loaded with bathtub booze that you may or may not survive.
 
I'll second the go to work, get it done, get out of Mexico. Do not go out to "sight see". Do not wear nice clothes, wear work clothes. Try not to stand out. It is a very dangerous place. When we are there at our facility, we are escorted by security or plant personnel any time we leave the plant grounds. They pick us up at the hotel, and return us to the hotel. For supper they come get us at the hotel and take us to eat. You do not want to be one of the 1000's that wind up beheaded on a street corner.
 
I disagree with all previous advice.

Having driven over 30.000 km in mexico on 13+ trips, while travelling for upto 3 months at a time sightseeing all over mexico except baja california near tijuana, over the last 25 years or so.

I like the food a lot and people are great.
Millions of foreigners live full time in mexico and travel around.

Endless areas and factories have excellent internet and cell coverage - this does not mean all of them do, just like everywhere.

Mexico is huge, and the particular area very much dictates where one can or should go or not.
It´s like saying don´t go to the USA / la vs avoid some areas like parts of inglewood.

The locals will know the risky areas and will be happy to advise you.
If you don´t speak spanish, go with someone who does and has experience.

In any factory the plant engineers will know where to source tools and materials - times and costs for same.
Ask them in advance ?

The food is great, the sights are great.
 
As far as suppliers, Grainger supplies Mexico. The engineers in the plant will know where to get stuff.

Someone else mentioned you'll need a work permit. The plant will need to provide you an introduction letter and you'll need to keep the permit (FMN) with you in the plant. Occasionally immigration will come into plants and verify all gringos have their permits. The plant gets fined if they don't. You also need to remember to turn it back in when you leave otherwise you'll get heavily fined the next time you go to Mexico.

I work about 3 months a year in Mexico doing machine installs and upgrades. I like the people and the food very much but the work culture is very different. When they say, "the machine is ready for you to install" it really means, "we've moved it off the dock". It's likely still on the skid. It certainly won't be in place, level, and have utility drops. Something as simple as an air disconnect and electrical outlet can take days. Everything happens slowly. You have to be very patient and just accept it. You can't change it. You can get frustrated and yell & scream but all that's going to do is raise your blood pressure - it's not going to get anything done faster. When you go back the next time to work on the machine you'll find sensor wires with 6 crude splices or sensors missing completely because they didn't want to buy another one. They're clever enough to disable sensors in the software if it means not spending money on a replacement part. I've learned over the years to not take personally what they've done to "my" machine. It's not mine anymore - it's theirs. When I schedule a trip I let them know when I'm arriving and when I'm leaving and that I will not stay longer if they haven't prepared for me. If I spend a day doing something that they should have before I arrived like leveling a machine and hooking up utilities that's one less day for me to get the job done that I came there for. I know that sounds like lousy customer service, but I've given up too many weekends and time at home for that sort of thing and I won't do it anymore. I also won't work on a machine that's had safety interlocks removed or disabled. I'd feel terrible if anyone was ever hurt by one of my machines even if it wasn't my fault, so I won't knowingly put a machine back in service that isn't safe. I can't control what they do after I leave, but I damned sure won't leave it unsafe.

As far as danger, Mexico isn't one monolithic place. There are nice areas and bad areas just like the US. The farther from the border you go the safer it'll be. I'd have no problem walking around many parts of Monterrey. Reynosa or some other border town, not so much. It's like the difference between Denver and Chicago. There are many areas in Mexico where I feel as safe as I do in my little midwestern suburb at home. I took my daughter to Guanajuato and no qualms about letting her wander around alone after dark.
 
Looking at it as an outsider, .and I'm not stirring the shite here, but I think the main reason Hanermos posting is so different from the rest is that he's not American , and I suspect speaks Spanish, ....both of which make a big fidderence,.

Much like us English and the Welsh and / or Scots, IMO we're too close, yet while at the same time different, with a lot of past animosity / wrongs / whatever, to throw in to the mix.

That said, going by what I've heard and seen in the media Mexico strikes me as a scray place, and not one I'd like to visit, .......and if I had to, I would follow the advice from TonyTN36 and others, ..............along with keeping my eyes and ears open, head down, and most importantly - GOB SHUT.
 
As far as suppliers, Grainger supplies Mexico. The engineers in the plant will know where to get stuff.

Someone else mentioned you'll need a work permit. The plant will need to provide you an introduction letter and you'll need to keep the permit (FMN) with you in the plant. Occasionally immigration will come into plants and verify all gringos have their permits. The plant gets fined if they don't. You also need to remember to turn it back in when you leave otherwise you'll get heavily fined the next time you go to Mexico.

I work about 3 months a year in Mexico doing machine installs and upgrades. I like the people and the food very much but the work culture is very different. When they say, "the machine is ready for you to install" it really means, "we've moved it off the dock". It's likely still on the skid. It certainly won't be in place, level, and have utility drops. Something as simple as an air disconnect and electrical outlet can take days. Everything happens slowly. You have to be very patient and just accept it. You can't change it. You can get frustrated and yell & scream but all that's going to do is raise your blood pressure - it's not going to get anything done faster. When you go back the next time to work on the machine you'll find sensor wires with 6 crude splices or sensors missing completely because they didn't want to buy another one. They're clever enough to disable sensors in the software if it means not spending money on a replacement part. I've learned over the years to not take personally what they've done to "my" machine. It's not mine anymore - it's theirs. When I schedule a trip I let them know when I'm arriving and when I'm leaving and that I will not stay longer if they haven't prepared for me. If I spend a day doing something that they should have before I arrived like leveling a machine and hooking up utilities that's one less day for me to get the job done that I came there for. I know that sounds like lousy customer service, but I've given up too many weekends and time at home for that sort of thing and I won't do it anymore. I also won't work on a machine that's had safety interlocks removed or disabled. I'd feel terrible if anyone was ever hurt by one of my machines even if it wasn't my fault, so I won't knowingly put a machine back in service that isn't safe. I can't control what they do after I leave, but I damned sure won't leave it unsafe.

As far as danger, Mexico isn't one monolithic place. There are nice areas and bad areas just like the US. The farther from the border you go the safer it'll be. I'd have no problem walking around many parts of Monterrey. Reynosa or some other border town, not so much. It's like the difference between Denver and Chicago. There are many areas in Mexico where I feel as safe as I do in my little midwestern suburb at home. I took my daughter to Guanajuato and no qualms about letting her wander around alone after dark.

This was a great post right up to this point

I took my daughter to Guanajuato and no qualms about letting her wander around alone after dark.

I have qualms letting my 25 year old daughter wander around anywhere at home after dark never mind F-ing mexico :)


Make Chips Boys !

Ron
 
I suspect far more Mexicans are killed in the US every year than Americans in Mexico. I never felt unsafe, but I don't really go out to bars or clubs. I was not in a party town. I went everywhere by myself. If my Spanish was better, it would be more fun. In the resort towns, everyone speaks English, that's their business. In the interior of Mexico, you need to speak some Spanish to do much.
 
It's really a game of odds. Not every person who visits Mexico will encounter death/dismemberment. But the odds they will are nothing to sneeze at.

I will say that if you appear to be Mexican, lower to middle class, speak Spanish, and have nothing to lose...the odds are you'll be fine.
 
I’ve explored Mexico, Nicaragua and El Salvador extensively and practiced plenty of risky behavior: surfing dangerous places, sight seeing A LOT OF BAD areas, been scared more than a few times and never had a problem.

BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN IT’S SAFE - I WAS JUST LUCKY.
 
They haven't released details yet but the rumblings are that it was carbon monoxide poisoning. Hardly a reason to avoid Mexico.

Except to point out that things we take for granted in the US, safe water, safe food and drink, safe housing, may not be quite the same south of the border.

Dennis
 








 
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