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02-21-2010, 11:12 AM
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Cast Iron
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Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Shallowater, Texas
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got a new to me benchmaster Mill
Hey, i bought a Benchmaster mill friday. Can i use colletts to hold drill bits and drill with them?
Anybody have a 3/4" Morse Taper No 2 end mill holder?, the draw bar is 3/8- 16tpi.
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02-21-2010, 11:53 AM
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Stainless
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Yes, you can use collets (within their range) to hold drill bits.
I'd suggest getting an ER type collet holder with a #2 MT drawbar shank and a full set of collets. The imports usually work OK and it's both a cheap and convenient way to hold end mills. Best bet for drilling might be a drill chuck with a 5/8" or so straight shank (to be held in a collet).
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02-21-2010, 02:33 PM
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Diamond
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Location: St Louis
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Benchmaster mills have no quill, and have a severe "daylight" issue.
So you drill by raising the knee, and there may not be room for a chuck or ER collet holder.
The MT collet may be "it".... depending on the workpiece.
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02-21-2010, 03:40 PM
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Stainless
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Oops, good point. Looks like there's only 8.5" under the spindle. Probably time to invest in a set of stub drills if you want to use a small chuck.
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02-21-2010, 03:47 PM
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Cast Iron
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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guys I still need to buy that 3/4" morse taper end mill holder. I have a set of colletts for this machine, the largest is 1/2" and i have a 5/8" end mill holder, so now i need a 3/4" end mill holder.
The benchmaster also came with a drill chuck, but if i can drill with colletts, that adds 3.25" inches of "daylight". the other option which i will explore in the near future is " short " drill bits.
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02-21-2010, 10:20 PM
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Aluminum
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tucson, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alan speyrer
guys I still need to buy that 3/4" morse taper end mill holder. I have a set of colletts for this machine, the largest is 1/2" and i have a 5/8" end mill holder, so now i need a 3/4" end mill holder.
The benchmaster also came with a drill chuck, but if i can drill with colletts, that adds 3.25" inches of "daylight". the other option which i will explore in the near future is " short " drill bits.
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Alan;
5/8" is the largest that you will probably find. Grizzly does sell sell 4 sizes MT#2 up to 5/8". I'd opt for a cutter with a 5/8" shank. Benchmasters are not big machines and you might stall your machine with too large a cutter.
BTW - you might want to see:
Benchmaster Horizontal Milling Machine
I'd stick with smaller cutters.
Jim
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02-22-2010, 08:36 AM
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Cast Iron
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Dale, thanks for the link, in that set there is a 3/4" end mill holder, thats what i am looking for. I need this 3/4" holder to use it to notch tubing, i have a 3/4", 1", and 1 1/4" end mills, all with a 3/4" shank.
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Originally Posted by Dale_G
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02-22-2010, 09:10 AM
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Hot Rolled
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Location: Laytonsville, Maryland
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With respect to drilling, you can alleviate some of the daylight (working clearance) issues by employing #2MT shank drills or drill sleeves directly in the spindle. I do that for larger sized drills when using my little Clausing mod. #8520 mill, which also has a #2MT spindle. Just like using the TS of your lathe--keep the tapers clean, seat the drill with a lead hammer, and you are good to go. I have drilled 7/8" holes in carbon steel, no problem.
Another clearance alleviating trick I employ is to borrow the 3/8" OD collets from my antique Black Diamond drill grinder to use as drill holding collets. These are inserted in the 3/8" #2MT collet in the spindle. Note that most modern Black Diamond collets are 9/16" OD and so that trick will not work with #2MT collets.
For end mills, I find the use of collets to be much better, rigidity and clearance-wise, than mill holders. Of course, for the case of an end mill with a shank larger than 1/2 inch, you have no choice.
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02-22-2010, 09:17 AM
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Hot Rolled
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Forgot to mention--Littlemachineshop.com sells #2MT drawbar shank (3/8-16) to JT arbors for your drill chucks. In my experience they have less run-out and better rigidity than holding a chuck with a straight shank in a 1/2 inch MT collet. I routinely get 1/2 thou or less run-out on my drill chucks mounted that way. Just don't tighten the arbor too much or it will be harder to remove than a collet.
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02-22-2010, 10:08 AM
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Aluminum
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Location: Mt. Airy, Maryland, USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alan speyrer
Dale, thanks for the link, in that set there is a 3/4" end mill holder, thats what i am looking for. I need this 3/4" holder to use it to notch tubing, i have a 3/4", 1", and 1 1/4" end mills, all with a 3/4" shank.
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They do sell the MT2 3/4 end-mill holder singly. $20. It's on this page: Tools4cheap LLC Online Machine Shop Tooling Store: Morse Taper 2 Tooling
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