I have recently rented a new shop space. It was too large for just my wallet so I sublet about half of it to an old friend who is also an engineer and machinist. The problem is that he comes from an environment where anybody can and did borrow anything from anybody else. He was by far the worst at not putting things back however and one or two of the people he previously shared space with used to have one set day a month where they would go on a hunt around the shop and re claim all their tools. When we moved in I stated very clearly that before he grabbed any thing of mine he hade to ask/tell me about it so that way I could keep track of what was going out, and when I reached for something there wouldnít be any surprises when it wasnít there. Well heís trying, but I also know that he gets manic when working on something and will just grab the closest screw driver, pliers, file, whatever, regardless of who it belongs to. I am of course free to borrow anything of his I might need, but I will always ask and then return it clean to its proper spot. My question is: how do I keep track of my tools, or at least preserve my sanity. Nothing drives me more nuts than reaching for a tool only to find that it is not in its spot or where I left it. The inevitable waste of precious time as I go walking around the shop looking for my tool, only serves to allow me to seethe and devise limb removal devices to mount over my tool boxes. I was thinking of marking all my tools with Dykem, but guess what? He borrowed that too and I canít find it!!!
Wow. You're kind of asking how to cure a nasty disease you caught from contact with a KNOWN infected person. What you're going through would put me in despair. Figure out a way to lock up your stuff, I guess. Prepare to be viewed as an SOB for wanting your tools back, instead of a saint for having let them be used. Goes with the territory.
I make my living with tools, and it's it's a much much harder living when someone is so inconsiderate and base as to deprive me of them.
Week before last, I went to an auction, and was getting my stuff that was easily carried off. We all know what will happen to that stuff if you don't go ahead and get it. I had the foresight to bring a two-wheel dolly. I had a piece of mine ON the dolly, and left it for a moment while I went to the restroom. I got back, and someone was using it, having just plopped my stuff off it! I did say "where's my dolly!" and one of the unauthorized borrower's helpers said who had it.
All I got was a casual, "Oh, I'll be done in just a second."
I had two choices: look like a jerk, even though I was in the right, or wait a minute for MY dolly to be returned. I chose the latter. Ten years ago, the former would have got the nod. Throwing some kind of useless fit would likely have just slowed things down, when you really look at the big picture. I guess I'm finally mellowing. [img]smile.gif[/img]
ask for a deposit in cash before here borrows anything
say, with a high tone, stern voice: "DON"T FECKING TOUCH MY TOOLS!"
plain, simple, effective
if someone asks for something, i don't mind (as long as they give it back asap)....but after a while, a machinist isn't a machinist if you don't at least own the basics (drivers, wrenches, 0-6 mics, caliper, square, etc)i'm about stop loaning out my tools if the new guy in my shop doesnt get his own tools (starting with a god damn tape measure)
Get a fork. Stick it in the back of his hand. It will soon stop.
Or if you are the gentle type, keep the boxes locked. He will quickly get the hint after you say no a few times.
Hook up the spare fence controller to your toolbox.
Lock your box. Real simple to do and it conveys the message real well. When you're in the shop with him, if he wanders over looking for something ask him what he needs. Pretty soon even the most oblivious person will get the message.
I agree with Andy, when I was working as a machinist I would lock and unlock my toolbox everytime I needed something. I figure if you need to borrow a tool more than once you need to buy one and there is no excuse for borrowing commonly used tools. I understand that maybe you need to borrow my 4" travel metric dial indicator but don't come asking to borrow calipers or a wrench.
Buy him lunch. Away from the shop. You need his undivided attention. I'd explain everything you just stated to this board, including your hesitation in confronting him. Sharing work space is always tough... made even worse when one of the partners isn't holding up on his end. Make him know you mean business, but that you appreciate his side as well.
How would he operate if you(your tools) were not there?
If it continues, find another space to work in. OR, find him one.
micro, I have had that type of "tool fiend" trouble long ago when
working around others. I nipped it in the bud immediately. My
thoughts would be, if you can't say no and you can't keep your
tools locked up... A partition certainly will not work.
So... just how good of a sublet contract did you write?
Any good "out" clauses in it?
Does your contract allow you to sublet?
Sounds like you need to be the ASS*#LE for a change.
Keep your box locked.
If he asks to borrow something, look him dead in the eyes, and say, "NO."
When he asks, "Why not???"
Explain to him that he's a big boy, and should buy his own damn tools !!!
Honesty is the best policy.
locked box, as soon as I leave mine unlocked my favorite screw driver and the 1/8 allen wrench disappears. and I work alone!
When I used to work on lots of machinery I had a part time mechanic who had his own keys and would come in when ever. I told him where I hid my tool box keys so he would have access. After the first day I rehid them.
How about a self contained very loud door alarm like you see on some store entry doors. Attach it to the lid so you know when he's rooting in your box, and come over and ask him what he needs. Make him write it down on a clipboard. If he doesn't return it that evening, lock the box until he does. He'll get tired of that as fast as you will. If he fails to return things enough times, there will be no misunderstanding why your box stays locked. Training a person can be like training a dog - you need to connect the consequences with the actions.
Two words: Paintball Gun.
OOOOOHHH now breathe deeply Sami, keep calm, other people helping themselves to my tools is guaranteed to get my blood boiling, and I don't care who they are.
The last time it happened, I threw a pound hammer at the guy (senior management at one of my customers) who'd helped himself to my channelocks and when challenged told me he'd only be 5 minutes! ...dropped them and ran when that hammer whistled past his head,......... you could say there was quite a bust up over that!.... they're still customers, but that guy gives me a very wide berth.
I suppose that's the trouble with being brought up ''old school'' and age hasn't mellowed me on this subject.
John, Fork? I prefer an axe.
The only way I've known is from minute one to make it crystal clear in terms that even an ameobic retard can understand, YOU ASK FIRST.
Knew a guy who was a mobile fitter for a shovel agent and had a Jack Russel terrier that went everywhere with him and rode shotgun on his gear,....... ever seen a guy with a terrier hanging on to his hand with no intention of letting go?......... talk about scream? forget talking to the priest that guy would willingly talk to the tax man - just get this ****ing thing off my hand.
Take care. Sami.
Where's Mr Slammy when you need him?
At the race track, an associate of mine who works out of a rolling tool cart that weighs as much as both the team's bikes has evolved a simple and very effective method. When another racer comes by and asks to borrow a whatever, he says:
"Gladly, here you go...just leave your wallet in the top drawer here. I'll lock it up so it's safe 'til you come back later..."
And he's never lost a tool at the track. Me? I've got a circle of about a half dozen like minded friends, all of whom can be trusted as lenders and borrowers. I only loan within the "club".
Finally, a piece of advice I may have heard here:
If you need a tool only once, rent or borrow. If you need it again, buy one.
If all else fails, maybe this:
Dunno how to keep people out of your tools, aside from locks.
But I DO know how to get the grumpy guy to let you borrow anything you need......
2) use it carefully and as intended
3) bring it back clean
4) put it back where it was
5) if you ever mess up, 'fess up.
After a while, rather than get it for you, he'll just tell you where it is.
The next step is "if I'm at lunch, the key is under the mat around back, try not to let anyone see you get it".
sorry but that right there is why ya don't share shop space.
But hey, that's just me and I'm told all the time by my wife that I don't share well. She is right and I know it.
But seeing as you already have done the deed maybe a locked tool crib of some kind.
One of the owners at my shop will walk by and grab a mic from someone's work area and not think anything of it. He did it to me once and after I observed him "twirl" it I exploded and asked him flat out if he was f#*ing stupid. I've never had a problem since even though I doubt he even understands why I was so pissed...because he really is.
If you have a problem being an ass just keep hanging around the forum and you're bound to pick it up eventually.