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Can anyone recommend a grade of steel to make a torsion bar from. It will be approximately 50" long and be splined on both ends. Maybe 1" to 1-1/4" O.D. It will have twisting force put on it but nut much bending or arching over it's length.
 
"spring steel" would be about as unspecific answer as the the question is.:o

But lets say induction hardened AISI 1095 that may work or not.
 
Can anyone recommend a grade of steel to make a torsion bar from. It will be approximately 50" long and be splined on both ends. Maybe 1" to 1-1/4" O.D. It will have twisting force put on it but nut much bending or arching over it's length.

Go with what they make axles out of.
 
Can anyone recommend a grade of steel to make a torsion bar from. It will be approximately 50" long and be splined on both ends. Maybe 1" to 1-1/4" O.D. It will have twisting force put on it but nut much bending or arching over it's length.

What's the torsional stress?

Choose a steel that has a greater torsional yield strength than req'd + safety factor (1.5-2.0)
 
How would I calculate torsional stress?

1. Get mechanical engineering degree.
2. Contract with an ME to do the design work for you.

If you can't calculate the stress how do you know what diameter to make the bar? Or choose the correct material?
Do you have any idea how to size the bar to get the spring rate you need for the application?
"A man's gotta know his limitations" Harry Callahan
 
1. Get mechanical engineering degree.
2. Contract with an ME to do the design work for you.

If you can't calculate the stress how do you know what diameter to make the bar? Or choose the correct material?
Do you have any idea how to size the bar to get the spring rate you need for the application?
"A man's gotta know his limitations" Harry Callahan

Wow.....you're a lot of help.

Instead of guiding him, you push him off the edge of a cliff.

There are thousands of variables that can affect the size or type of steel needed. You failed to mention how it will be used. Is it attached at the pivot point of a lever or slightly offset?....how much weight on the lever, in static and in a dynamic state. What is the length of the lever???
What are the constraints you have to work with?
Torsional stress= length of lever(inch) x weight. So 12 inch lever multiply's the weight at the fulcrum 12 times (Torsional stress) if bar is placed at pivot of lever.
People here would gladly help you if only you would give them a fighting chance, by giving them some specifics.

Oh and BTW, There are many free online calculators.
Good luck with your project......
 
Wow.....you're a lot of help.

Instead of guiding him, you push him off the edge of a cliff.

Torsional stress= length of lever(inch) x weight. So 12 inch lever multiply's the weight at the fulcrum 12 times (Torsional stress) if bar is placed at pivot of lever.
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If you are going to help at least get it right. You described Torque.
Stress refers to whats going on inside the shaft. It captures the effect of shaft diameter.

Max Shear stress= Torque*Radius/J J is the torsional moment of inertia. For a solid round bar it is PI*D^4/32
 
If you are going to help at least get it right. You described Torque.
Stress refers to whats going on inside the shaft. It captures the effect of shaft diameter.

Max Shear stress= Torque*Radius/J J is the torsional moment of inertia. For a solid round bar it is PI*D^4/32

I agree. :)
 
Wow.....you're a lot of help.

Instead of guiding him, you push him off the edge of a cliff.

There are thousands of variables that can affect the size or type of steel needed. You failed to mention how it will be used. Is it attached at the pivot point of a lever or slightly offset?....how much weight on the lever, in static and in a dynamic state. What is the length of the lever???
What are the constraints you have to work with?
Torsional stress= length of lever(inch) x weight. So 12 inch lever multiply's the weight at the fulcrum 12 times (Torsional stress) if bar is placed at pivot of lever.
People here would gladly help you if only you would give them a fighting chance, by giving them some specifics.

Oh and BTW, There are many free online calculators.
Good luck with your project......

Thank you. I found the calculators online and in M H. The application is similar to an anti sway bar on a vehicle.
 
Is this for a suspension system that will see a large amount of dynamic loading, or is this for a fixed load, say in loading up a four square test rig? A dynamic load will require a better grade of steel with appropriate heat treatment, where a situation such as a four square test can be done with mild steel.
 








 
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