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O.T Low sulphur fuel (diesel)
- Thread starter dman
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Limy Sami
Diamond
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- Norfolk, UK
Mineral 2 stroke oil in the diesel at about 100-1, no smoke, runs better, older engines especially start better, and a lot kinder to pumps, oh yeah and you haven't heard this from me, 28sec kerosine heating oil, use 50-1
Take care. Sami.
Take care. Sami.
Timcasbolt
Aluminum
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I add 8 oz. Marvel Mystery Oil per fillup. You could also add filtered waste oil, filtered waste vegetable oil, virgin vegetable oil, biodiesel, or most any other oil in similar ratios. Not sure about Sami's 28 sec kerosine heating oil, but if it's anything like our clear kerosene, that's not adding much lubricity. I've used low ash 2-stroke oil, and it seemed to smoke a little more than the MMO in my truck. I have a third generation Dodge with Cummins.
Damien W
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The inference from your comment dman is that the new low-sulphur diesel fuel wears out injector pumps. Is there any published data available to support this? I have a number of diesel-engined powered machines and I would like to maximise their useful life.
By the way I like your conventional spelling of sulphur. I am pleased that you are part of the resistance to corruption of english.
By the way I like your conventional spelling of sulphur. I am pleased that you are part of the resistance to corruption of english.
K
kenh
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Sulfur is not a lubricant, the removal of it removes some of the lubricants in diesel.
Stanadyne,Powerservices, etc are sold as lubricants.
I have no problems with my tractor, Bosch pump.
Or 01' PSD, I add Powerservices.
Why bother with filtered garbage when you only need 1oz/gallon.
Stanadyne,Powerservices, etc are sold as lubricants.
I have no problems with my tractor, Bosch pump.
Or 01' PSD, I add Powerservices.
Why bother with filtered garbage when you only need 1oz/gallon.
Tims
Aluminum
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dman what year and engine are you running?
dirty old man
Stainless
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The new fuel is ultra low sulphur, to replace the low sulphur introduced several yearas ago. It has proved to be not only lower in lubricity, but to be a powerful solvent on the gaskets and seals in the equipment made before the advent of low sulphur fuels. The stuff built since the introduction of low sulphur fuels seems to hold up OK so far on the leakage issues.
Adding 2 cycle oil is a good way to add lubricity. However, the quality additives made as a diesel fuel additive not only add lubricity, they aid in keeping injectors, etc. clean.
I'm an independent Amsoil dealer and Amsoil has completely reformulated their diesel aditive since the intro of ultra low sulphur fuels. I use it in my '03 Chevy Duramax.
Dave
Adding 2 cycle oil is a good way to add lubricity. However, the quality additives made as a diesel fuel additive not only add lubricity, they aid in keeping injectors, etc. clean.
I'm an independent Amsoil dealer and Amsoil has completely reformulated their diesel aditive since the intro of ultra low sulphur fuels. I use it in my '03 Chevy Duramax.
Dave
jfbronco
Plastic
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I use a product from Power Service called Agri-Power. This product is soy based and not only increases the lubrication properties, it also is a cleaner and cetane booster. We use it in all of our diesels and have noticed an increase in mileage of about 2 to 3 tenthes of a gallon in our heavy trucks.. This might not sound like much, but when you have $3.00 fuel this computes to about $10 to $20 a day in savings. By buying in bulk you can add the Agri-Power for less than .02 cents for every gallon of fuel.
dkmc
Diamond
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1 quart of 10w-30 in 15 gallons of ULS diesel.......
At $1.59 a quart, it probably works just as good as the $8/ quart miracle additives.
At $1.59 a quart, it probably works just as good as the $8/ quart miracle additives.
Davis In SC
Diamond
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A guy I know that services construction equipment says he has seen a lot of pump failures in the last few months. He is convinced that the changes in fuel are the culprit.
I always run Power Service additive, but I am considering also adding some 2-stroke oil to my fuel.
I always run Power Service additive, but I am considering also adding some 2-stroke oil to my fuel.
Richard Rogers
Titanium
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How about bar-n-chain oil?
Richard
Richard
LeftHander
Aluminum
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Back in the early-mid '90s, Kalipornia mandated low sulphur diesel fuel. Diesel engines with mileage on them suddenly began experiencing pump failure. State got sued by a lot of people, and big rig drivers were advised to fill up before crossing into the state. No one seemed to know what to do about the problem, so I sold my little 4 banger pickup(to a bunch of guys from Central America). Fixing and replacing the pump would have been expensive and required specialized tooling to reset timing, so I sold it before using any of the new fuel.
Will
Will
Richard Rogers
Titanium
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Isn't this low sulphur fuel only for over-the-road use right now? I mean off-road fuel is still the regular old stuff with dye in it, until like 2010 or so, right?
How does the low-sulphur stuff treat unit-type injectors like in the old 2 stroke Detroits?
Richard
How does the low-sulphur stuff treat unit-type injectors like in the old 2 stroke Detroits?
Richard
Davis In SC
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As to adding oil to fuel, the oil needs to be a low-ash type oil. Even for crankcase oil, Cummins has some tight specs. pertaining to ash content. High ash content is claimed to cause guttering of valve seats.
Limy Sami
Diamond
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I think SAMI may be suggesting adding the two stroke lube to heating oil, the taxes on highway fuel in the UK are particularly punitive.
HE IS not whinging or starting a ****ing contest, just telling it like it is, but robinr is right,ballpark figures - I won't do the fine math - US / Imp gallon etc and working on £1 = $2US
Highway diesel $8.50 gall
Petrol (gasoline) about the same.
Heating oil $1.60 gall ( VERY illegal and expensive if you're caught)
Vehicle Excise Duty (road tax) for say a 1 ton diesel pickup, Ford or Dodge Ram about $400 a year, BIG fines and possibility of vehicle being crushed if caught without... oh yeah, no tax disc means your insurance isn't vald.
MOT test (vehicle safety certificate) compulsory on vehicles over 3 years old $90 a year.no MOT + insurance isn't valid etc etc.
Insurance:- (3rd party compulsory) from $300 a year, some drivers paying $2500.
Good quality, non big brand name turbo diesel lube oil $22 gal.
The reason for using 2 stroke at such low ratios:- our emmision rules are very stiff, too much smoke and you can be pulled off the road and fined, emmisions form a major part of MOT test.
Machinists pay in my area:- $20 - $28 / hour.
Good here innitt?
Take care guys. Sami.
I think SAMI may be suggesting adding the two stroke lube to heating oil, the taxes on highway fuel in the UK are particularly punitive.
HE IS not whinging or starting a ****ing contest, just telling it like it is, but robinr is right,ballpark figures - I won't do the fine math - US / Imp gallon etc and working on £1 = $2US
Highway diesel $8.50 gall
Petrol (gasoline) about the same.
Heating oil $1.60 gall ( VERY illegal and expensive if you're caught)
Vehicle Excise Duty (road tax) for say a 1 ton diesel pickup, Ford or Dodge Ram about $400 a year, BIG fines and possibility of vehicle being crushed if caught without... oh yeah, no tax disc means your insurance isn't vald.
MOT test (vehicle safety certificate) compulsory on vehicles over 3 years old $90 a year.no MOT + insurance isn't valid etc etc.
Insurance:- (3rd party compulsory) from $300 a year, some drivers paying $2500.
Good quality, non big brand name turbo diesel lube oil $22 gal.
The reason for using 2 stroke at such low ratios:- our emmision rules are very stiff, too much smoke and you can be pulled off the road and fined, emmisions form a major part of MOT test.
Machinists pay in my area:- $20 - $28 / hour.
Good here innitt?
Take care guys. Sami.
Damien W
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"I use a product from Power Service called Agri-Power. This product is soy based and not only increases the lubrication properties, it also is a cleaner and cetane booster."
All the benefits of upper cylinder lubrication and it will lower your cholestertol and reduce the liklihood of stroke.
I read a notice on a fuel pump that said if your engine was manufactured AFTER the early 90's then ultra low sulphur diesel fuel should be OK.
All the benefits of upper cylinder lubrication and it will lower your cholestertol and reduce the liklihood of stroke.
I read a notice on a fuel pump that said if your engine was manufactured AFTER the early 90's then ultra low sulphur diesel fuel should be OK.
