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    Default Warner and Swasey chuck 1605C

    I have a W&S 1605C chuck and I can find no online reference to 1605C. What is it? Spindle type?

    I want to mount it onto a D1-6 backing plate, the right one if I can find it. Does someone make adapters for A,B American Standard to D camlock?

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    Nearest in their book is M-1608 which is a 12" four jaw with 8" A type spindle nose

    W&S OFTEN have A type spindle noses

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    I'd have to look at that chuck very hard before spending any money on it. AFAIK, W&S stopped making chucks over 40 years ago. Don't get me wrong, they made very good chucks, but yours was probably mounted on a turret lathe and had the crap beat out of it.
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    Has ACME T. L. stamped in it. I will disassemble and evaluate before I go further. If you wanted to see pictures what would you like to see?

    Its not like I don't have a 3 jaw chuck but its Chicom and on a Monarch, well that just doesn't feel right. This W&S seems much more substantial and has T&G reversible jaws, I have used it before on an old lathe with a screw-on spindle but have now upgraded to this Monarch lathe so hence the dilemma.

    Thx all

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    Quote Originally Posted by weedy64 View Post
    Has ACME T. L. stamped in it. I will disassemble and evaluate before I go further. If you wanted to see pictures what would you like to see?
    Maybe more important, what is your intended usage of this chuck ? and what level of accuracy do you need ?

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    The lathe is 28" x 144". I turn (rough) 18" chilled iron rolls (3500lbs max) with the lathe, so it would hold a roll stub shaft/axle 2-5"dia, other end is live centered in tail-stock. I finished corrugating them on an old planer. Smaller rolls I turn and then thread\groove the length 8"x55" or so at 8-10tpi (double start 5. I can live with .002-.003 TIR, obviously the less the better. If I can grip adequately with the 3 Jaw then I don't have to change chucks as often. The 4 Jaw is just that much bigger to deal with on this lathe. A jib might be nice. I have a 3T rail but its lying on the ground so far. I currently use a forklift for loading work pieces but its a bit cumbersome for chuck work.

    My previous lathe was smaller, old(babbit) and worn out and so the roll size was limited to 12". I used the 4jaw in this case, it never came with a 3jaw until the W&S one was acquired. I never ran rolls with it the (3jaw) I don't think and if so they were limited to 1200#.

    The new to me lathe allows me to do all of the sizes I deal with except the 24"ers.

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    So this is a powerchuck with the powerwrench attached to the headstock, comes in from the
    back with a jaw coupling to engage the pinions ?
    Or is this a hydraulic/air cylinder type ?

    I think .002 T.I.R. is gonna be hard to hold.

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    No its a manual chuck.

    Maybe my TIR requirement is out to lunch.

    These rolls are for feed processing so their surface wears and needs truing. I indicate the shafts when I setup and cut the wearing surface true. They weigh enough that I think it is easier on their bearings if they are concentric. I don't recall their operating rpm but I think its in the 4-600rpm range

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    Has ACME T. L. stamped in it.
    Which means Acme Turret Lathe - a make eventually owned by L&S.

    Smallest will have 8" Type A and largest will have 11" Type A spindle noses

    D1-6" on a 28" lathe sounds wimpy. Has the lathe been raised?

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    It does seem wimpy to me too, but it is what it is. Its a 612 2516-19 x 144, Yes it has a factory raised compound for sure, about 1-1/4" . I can't really tell looking at the headstock/tailstock it all looks fairly large. Its is the only Monarch of this type Ive ever had my hands on. It was used in a plywood plant to peel rubber off of large rolls etc, it was dirty but quiet when I bought it. The mill closed and dispersed equipment, the onsite maintenance staff said it never worked very hard at that plant. So the D1-6 wasn't a factor. Previous use - who knows, paperwork says it always belonged to Georgia Pacific forestry..

    here is a very similar unit with a lot of new paint!
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    says Page Not Found but link currently works for me

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    Whatever - there it is. Thumbnail will give info and 8" and 11" A type. And what ever that is, your D1-6" backplate / adapter will have to accommodate whatever bolt holes are in the chuck. Better if chuck is A-11" as it will be easier to get the chuck bolts to miss the D1-6" details - though thicker back plates can help. Second thumbnail has D1-6" info

    If it turns out you can't read these we can try emailing them if you want to private message me that address
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails b-chucks.jpg   d-chucks.jpg  

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    Thanks I can read them.

    Im sure its not an 11" as the chuck is ~10", I think its an 8" but maybe a 6" A type. I will look it over when Im in the shop again.

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    It will make a much better fixture for the mill than to try and adapt the A8 to D1-6 spindle.


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