Youtube new firearm policy

RC99 · Mar 27, 2018

I see youtube has a new very vague firearm policy.

Essentially banning anything and everything from reloading ammunition to gunsmithing.

They won't be banning the violent videos that show people getting murdered and killed though.

Policies on content featuring firearms - YouTube Help

MilGunsmith · Mar 27, 2018

A lot of states have there Hunter Safety Class programs on YouTube. Are they going to ban them too?

Karl_T · Mar 27, 2018

You tube has dominated this market for far too long. Its time for them to go the way of photobucket.

I'm sure looking for some enterprising company to jump in here and take up the slack. They could take 1/2 this profitable market almost overnight.

Rob F. · Mar 27, 2018

Karl_T said:
You tube has dominated this market for far too long. Its time for them to go the way of photobucket.

I'm sure looking for some enterprising company to jump in here and take up the slack. They could take 1/2 this profitable market almost overnight.

Do you mean Vimeo? Not as much selection there yet but away from youtube/google

tkingmo · Mar 27, 2018

check out patreon

Rob F. · Mar 27, 2018

These guys have compiled a nice list of "google substitutes":
How to Live Without Google | Veterans Today

Scottl · Mar 27, 2018

I suspect this will play out like the well known retailer who stopped selling AR-15s -- TWICE.

Once they start losing revenue they'll quietly start modifying this policy.

In the meantime please keep posting alternatives to YouTube.

By the way, a very good alternative to Google (the owner of YouTube) is DuckDuckGo.

DuckDuckGo

There are other search engines as well, and I may post a list if people want.

Scottl · Mar 27, 2018

Rob F. said:
These guys have compiled a nice list of "google substitutes":
How to Live Without Google | Veterans Today

And you can use an Android device without being married to Google if you use alternative search engines and get apps from places like F-Droid. Less selection than Playstore but they won't be mining your phone for contact info and tracking every move you make. Just never register the phone with Google. The option exists on all of them.

PS: Add to the alternative Android browser list provided in the VT article the Lightning browser. Light weight but still has features like organizing favorites within folders.

Oldwrench · Mar 27, 2018

RC99 said:
I see youtube has a new very vague firearm policy. Essentially banning anything and everything from reloading ammunition to gunsmithing.

Gonna take away a major home-shop machinist resource...

SteveF · Mar 27, 2018

Oldwrench said:
Gonna take away a major home-shop machinist resource...

Well, for those who didn't actually READ the policy, here's what it says:

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YouTube prohibits certain kinds of content featuring firearms. Specifically, we don’t allow content that:

Intends to sell firearms or certain firearms accessories through direct sales (e.g., private sales by individuals) or links to sites that sell these items. These accessories include but may not be limited to accessories that enable a firearm to simulate automatic fire or convert a firearm to automatic fire (e.g., bump stocks, gatling triggers, drop-in auto sears, conversion kits), and high capacity magazines (i.e., magazines or belts carrying more than 30 rounds).

Provides instructions on manufacturing a firearm, ammunition, high capacity magazine, homemade silencers/suppressors, or certain firearms accessories such as those listed above. This also includes instructions on how to convert a firearm to automatic or simulated automatic firing capabilities.
Shows users how to install the above-mentioned accessories or modifications.

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That's a LONG way from "banning anything and everything".

Personally I've been using DuckDuckGo for years and try to use anything related to Google as little as possible. Having ONE company with that much power in the marketplace is NEVER a good thing.

Steve

Scottl · Mar 27, 2018

Steve,

Thanks for posting that clarification of the policy change. It explains why after seeing some "sky is falling" headlines I was still able to find gunsmithing videos, including common tasks on ARs such as installing free float tubes.

RC99 · Mar 27, 2018

I am not sure where the clarification is.

Did people not read the "but may not be limited to" bit?

It is deliberately vague so that they can ban anything and everything.

Reloading ammunition is instructions on manufacturing ammunition.

gustafson · Mar 27, 2018

RC99 said:
I am not sure where the clarification is.

Did people not read the "but may not be limited to" bit?

It is deliberately vague so that they can ban anything and everything.

Reloading ammunition is instructions on manufacturing ammunition.

You could be correct, but I don't think so

routine gun videos serve many purposes

much like threads on this forums I trip over gunsmithing information I find fascinating, could not see why anyone would want to ban it, even though it serves me no purpose, but if I tripped over semi/full auto conversion info I would be perturbed

half the internet is apparently porn and youtube bans porn, so the both of them get along without each other......if the worst fears were true, I think the same would be true ....

funny related side note, fired a handgun for the first time, well, ever, at a hokey cowboy trail ride with the kids, hit 4 out of 6[okay only two knocked the target back], better than the former shooting team member spouse.....

dalmatiangirl61 · Mar 27, 2018

SteveF said:
Provides instructions on manufacturing a firearm, ammunition

Seems to me that would cover gunsmithing and reloading.

RC99 · Mar 27, 2018

gustafson said:
You could be correct, but I don't think so

routine gun videos serve many purposes

You have a lot more faith in other people to act sensible and fair then I do.

gustafson · Mar 28, 2018

RC99 said:
You have a lot more faith in other people to act sensible and fair then I do.

perhaps, but if what you and I both consider 'normal' gun videos start being banned I have no doubt we will hear about it here, and I expect you to remind me of it and demand I lodge a complaint

And I will

there is nothing wrong with gunsmithing, it falls under the 'neato' category for me, nothing I want to do, but interesting in the same way seeing an engine block milled from solid would be.

Scottl · Mar 28, 2018

Personally I couldn't care less if YouTube bans some of the jackass stunt gun videos. Some of the behavior shown is bad enough without advertising it. In recent years we've had a lot of disciplinary actions involving our ranges with this younger video generation.

A lot of the gunsmithing videos are really great. I've never tried to bend a shotgun stock (I paid someone else to do it) but I believe it was Brownells that had a video of an English gent using cloths soaked with hot oil to adjust cast and drop, and as an amateur I've found some of the 'smithing videos help with work I've done on my own stuff.

Whether they will eventually eliminate the wheat with the chaff remains to be seen.

grg12 · Mar 29, 2018

Scottl said:
Personally I couldn't care less if YouTube bans some of the jackass stunt gun videos.

New rules doesn't specify "dangerous and stupid" as reason for ban. But "Intends to sell firearms or certain firearms accessories through direct sales (e.g., private sales by individuals) or links to sites that sell these items. " is such reason. They aren't concerned about your safety but advertising revenue...
I watch regularly channel "Forgotten Weapons" - guns he shows and talks about will be auctioned - his videos may be banned according to this rule despite being very interesting info about gun history and development. Another rule MAY be interpreted in such a way that any gunsmithing - even basic cold blue application help - video will be banned...

SteveF · Mar 29, 2018

Scottl said:
Personally I couldn't care less if YouTube bans some of the jackass stunt gun videos. Some of the behavior shown is bad enough .................

You mean like the one where the kids decide to load up a microwave with tannerite and shoot it? Then the microwave explodes and the door comes flying back right between the kids watching at about head height?

BTW, as of this posting a search on Youtube for "DIY suppressor" gets 83,800 hits. I guess skies take some time to fall.

Steve

John 242 · Mar 30, 2018

SteveF said:
You mean like the one where the kids decide to load up a microwave with tannerite and shoot it? Then the microwave explodes and the door comes flying back right between the kids watching at about head height?

BTW, as of this posting a search on Youtube for "DIY suppressor" gets 83,800 hits. I guess skies take some time to fall.

Steve

Steve, the new policy doesn't take effect for 30 days after its announcement, which is about 20 days from now. So, look for falling skies around mid-April.

Whether Youtube will make sweeping bans on Day 1 or slowly weed out content through attrition is anyone's guess.

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