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    Hele63 is offline Plastic
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    Default Haas Service & tool probing question

    Got a question, we bought a used Haas VF3 with probing. I had haas come out and check the machine. they said it needed the new update for the controller. I said ok do it, well now everytime i switch programs i get an alarm with program integ. the haas service man said ahhh no big deal just hit the reset button, i kinda looked at him and thought you kidding me? so then when i was also having there applications guy here teaching us on the probing system, everything seemed ok. but when i run a program and want to check within the program the tool length and diameter after each use to update with any wear, the tool probe will just keep coming down and bump the tool probe and give me the tool probe open error. it does come down normal when i do the first setup to do the legth and diameter to set the tool first time.

    And i know everyone is going to say call haas back well i did and still after 2 weeks after the last call still nothing. I was hesitant on buying haas agian and this really sinks it for me that there service is just not there anymore. I have talked to our rep and still nothing, i have stopped calling them cause i see no reason because nothing happens. But yet i have a friggin bill for when that they want me to pay when they came out for this job, i keep telling them that the machine is not running correct since they did the update and i want it fixed before i pay.

    well that put a burr up the service guys a$$ and he calls me to ask me what the heck and next time to make sure that he knows about this before it goes to billing, i told him that i called him and also called the rep about the problem but i guess he forgot, he must have gottin in trouble and didnt like it, well i am sorry my machine is running but is a hassle that i have to hit the reset button all the time.

    i understand that i might be programming the probe wrong but when i ask the apps guy he says it should work, well come out and show me and i will pay extra if it is my fault, but if it is on the machine side then i am not going to pay for the mess up.

    anyone have similar problems with the probing?


    Helmut

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    haastec is offline Cast Iron
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hele63 View Post
    Got a question, we bought a used Haas VF3 with probing. I had haas come out and check the machine. they said it needed the new update for the controller. I said ok do it, well now everytime i switch programs i get an alarm with program integ. the haas service man said ahhh no big deal just hit the reset button, i kinda looked at him and thought you kidding me? so then when i was also having there applications guy here teaching us on the probing system, everything seemed ok. but when i run a program and want to check within the program the tool length and diameter after each use to update with any wear, the tool probe will just keep coming down and bump the tool probe and give me the tool probe open error. it does come down normal when i do the first setup to do the legth and diameter to set the tool first time.

    And i know everyone is going to say call haas back well i did and still after 2 weeks after the last call still nothing. I was hesitant on buying haas agian and this really sinks it for me that there service is just not there anymore. I have talked to our rep and still nothing, i have stopped calling them cause i see no reason because nothing happens. But yet i have a friggin bill for when that they want me to pay when they came out for this job, i keep telling them that the machine is not running correct since they did the update and i want it fixed before i pay.

    well that put a burr up the service guys a$$ and he calls me to ask me what the heck and next time to make sure that he knows about this before it goes to billing, i told him that i called him and also called the rep about the problem but i guess he forgot, he must have gottin in trouble and didnt like it, well i am sorry my machine is running but is a hassle that i have to hit the reset button all the time.

    i understand that i might be programming the probe wrong but when i ask the apps guy he says it should work, well come out and show me and i will pay extra if it is my fault, but if it is on the machine side then i am not going to pay for the mess up.

    anyone have similar problems with the probing?


    Helmut
    Two seperate issues here; Program integrity after software upgrade and probe open for tool setter.

    First: I am going to say it; keep calling the HFO until they fix your machine! Don't stop calling. Call Haas Oxnard if you have to.

    Second: Probe open alarm needs more explanation regarding what type of system you are using, how old, how you are using it, and possibly some program samples.

    (Assuming you have a Renishaw system)
    Have you gone through the Renishaw manual thoroughly and tried their sample programs? If you don't have it, you can download from their website.

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    Hele63 is offline Plastic
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    Hi Haastec,
    thanks for the reply. I will call again today and tri to light a fire under them and tell them that i will contact oxnard if it is not resolved by next week.

    here is a sample of my program, when i put the tools in i do the auto length rotating to get TLO and Diameter, everything works correct. But when i have this in the middle of my program cause i want to check the TLO and Diameter before it runs each time is where it does not work. What happens in the program it calls for the auto legth rotating before it uses the tool, it starts to come down but ignores the set tool legth and keeps going till it hits the tool probe. and yes it is a renishaw system the haas is a VF3 2003

    now when i set it up i give it a rough length, it does the routine and sets it correct in my offsets, but when i put it in my program i am leaving the rough length is that correct?

    N57 M09
    N58 M05
    N59 G00 G28 G91 Z0.
    N60 M01

    (Automatic Length Rotating)
    (ToolNo = 5)

    / T5 M06
    / G00 G90
    / G65 P9023 A13. T5 D0.5 H4.

    N61 G20
    N62 G00 G17 G40 G80 G90 G94 G99
    N63 G00 G28 G91 Z0.
    ( 1/2 FLAT ENDMILL TOOL - 5 DIA. OFF. - 5 LEN. - 5 DIA. - .5 )
    ( .5 MILL )
    N64 T5 M06
    N65 G00 G54 G90 X-2.35 Y-0.4625 S1275 M03
    N66 G43 H05 Z2. M08
    N67 Z0.1
    N68 G01 Z-0.0388 F100.
    N69 G41 D05 Y-0.9625 F15.
    N70 G03 X-1.85 Y-0.4625 R0.5
    N71 G01 Y0.4625
    N72 X-1.5625 Y0.75
    N73 X1.5625
    N74 X1.85 Y0.4625
    N75 Y-0.4625
    N76 X1.5625 Y-0.75
    N77 X-1.5625
    N78 X-1.85 Y-0.4625
    N79 G03 X-2.2036 Y-0.316 R0.5001
    N80 X-2.5571 Y-0.4625 R0.5001
    N81 G01 G40 X-2.2036 Y-0.8161
    N82 G00 Z0.2112
    N83 X-2.35 Y-0.4625
    N84 Z0.1
    N85 G01 Z-0.0775 F100.
    N86 G41 D05 Y-0.9625 F15.
    N87 G03 X-1.85 Y-0.4625 R0.5
    N88 G01 Y0.4625
    N89 X-1.5625 Y0.75
    N90 X1.5625
    N91 X1.85 Y0.4625
    N92 Y-0.4625
    N93 X1.5625 Y-0.75
    N94 X-1.5625
    N95 X-1.85 Y-0.4625
    N96 G03 X-2.2036 Y-0.316 R0.5001
    N97 X-2.5571 Y-0.4625 R0.5001
    N98 G01 G40 X-2.2036 Y-0.8161
    N99 G00 Z0.1725
    N100 X-2.35 Y-0.4625
    N101 Z0.1
    N102 G01 Z-0.1163 F100.
    N103 G41 D05 Y-0.9625 F15.
    N104 G03 X-1.85 Y-0.4625 R0.5
    N105 G01 Y0.4625
    N106 X-1.5625 Y0.75
    N107 X1.5625
    N108 X1.85 Y0.4625
    N109 Y-0.4625
    N110 X1.5625 Y-0.75
    N111 X-1.5625
    N112 X-1.85 Y-0.4625
    N113 G03 X-2.2036 Y-0.316 R0.5001
    N114 X-2.5571 Y-0.4625 R0.5001
    N115 G01 G40 X-2.2036 Y-0.8161
    N116 G00 Z0.1338
    N117 X-2.35 Y-0.4625
    N118 Z0.1
    N119 G01 Z-0.155 F100.
    N120 G41 D05 Y-0.9625 F15.
    N121 G03 X-1.85 Y-0.4625 R0.5
    N122 G01 Y0.4625
    N123 X-1.5625 Y0.75
    N124 X1.5625
    N125 X1.85 Y0.4625
    N126 Y-0.4625
    N127 X1.5625 Y-0.75
    N128 X-1.5625
    N129 X-1.85 Y-0.4625
    N130 G03 X-2.2036 Y-0.316 R0.5001
    N131 X-2.5571 Y-0.4625 R0.5001
    N132 G01 G40 X-2.2036 Y-0.8161
    N133 G00 Z0.095
    N134 Z0.1
    N135 X-2.35 Y-0.4625
    N136 G01 Z-0.1938 F100.
    N137 G41 D05 Y-0.9625 F15.
    N138 G03 X-1.85 Y-0.4625 R0.5
    N139 G01 Y0.4625
    N140 X-1.5625 Y0.75
    N141 X1.5625
    N142 X1.85 Y0.4625
    N143 Y-0.4625
    N144 X1.5625 Y-0.75
    N145 X-1.5625
    N146 X-1.85 Y-0.4625
    N147 G03 X-2.2036 Y-0.316 R0.5001
    N148 X-2.5571 Y-0.4625 R0.5001
    N149 G01 G40 X-2.2036 Y-0.8161
    N150 G00 Z0.0563
    N151 Z0.1
    N152 X-2.35 Y-0.4625
    N153 G01 Z-0.2325 F100.
    N154 G41 D05 Y-0.9625 F15.
    N155 G03 X-1.85 Y-0.4625 R0.5
    N156 G01 Y0.4625
    N157 X-1.5625 Y0.75
    N158 X1.5625
    N159 X1.85 Y0.4625
    N160 Y-0.4625
    N161 X1.5625 Y-0.75
    N162 X-1.5625
    N163 X-1.85 Y-0.4625
    N164 G03 X-2.2036 Y-0.316 R0.5001
    N165 X-2.5571 Y-0.4625 R0.5001
    N166 G01 G40 X-2.2036 Y-0.8161
    N167 G00 Z0.0175
    N168 Z0.1
    N169 X-2.35 Y-0.4625
    N170 G01 Z-0.2712 F100.
    N171 G41 D05 Y-0.9625 F15.
    N172 G03 X-1.85 Y-0.4625 R0.5
    N173 G01 Y0.4625
    N174 X-1.5625 Y0.75
    N175 X1.5625
    N176 X1.85 Y0.4625
    N177 Y-0.4625
    N178 X1.5625 Y-0.75
    N179 X-1.5625
    N180 X-1.85 Y-0.4625
    N181 G03 X-2.2036 Y-0.316 R0.5001
    N182 X-2.5571 Y-0.4625 R0.5001
    N183 G01 G40 X-2.2036 Y-0.8161
    N184 G00 Z-0.0213
    N185 Z0.1
    N186 X-2.35 Y-0.4625
    N187 G01 Z-0.311 F100.
    N188 G41 D05 Y-0.9625 F15.
    N189 G03 X-1.85 Y-0.4625 R0.5
    N190 G01 Y0.4625
    N191 X-1.5625 Y0.75
    N192 X1.5625
    N193 X1.85 Y0.4625
    N194 Y-0.4625
    N195 X1.5625 Y-0.75
    N196 X-1.5625
    N197 X-1.85 Y-0.4625
    N198 G03 X-2.2036 Y-0.316 R0.5001
    N199 X-2.5571 Y-0.4625 R0.5001
    N200 G01 G40 X-2.2036 Y-0.8161
    N201 G00 Z2.
    N202 M09
    N203 M05
    N204 G00 G28 G91 Z0.
    N205 M01

    (Automatic Length Rotating)
    (ToolNo = 6)

    / T6 M06
    / G00 G90
    / G65 P9023 A13. T6 D1.25 H3.25

    N206 G20
    N207 G00 G17 G40 G80 G90 G94 G99
    N208 G00 G28 G91 Z0.
    ( 1.250 T-SLOT TOOL - 6 DIA. OFF. - 6 LEN. - 6 DIA. - 1.25 )
    ( TSLOT )
    N209 T6 M06
    N210 G00 G54 G90 X-2.75 Y-1.873 S850 M03
    N211 G43 H06 Z2. M08
    N212 Z0.1
    N213 G01 Z-0.25 F100.
    N214 G42 D06 X-4. F15.
    N215 G02 X-2.75 Y-0.623 R1.25
    N216 G01 X2.75
    N217 G02 X4. Y-1.873 R1.25
    N218 G01 G40 X2.75
    N219 G00 Z-0.0275
    N220 Z0.1

    Let me know if i am the problem?????????????? lol never claimed to be the end all be all in programing lol
    Helmut

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    I'm assuming you got your macro programming cues from watching the built in programs on the control, because the programming manual has completely different calls. This is how I would check length and diameter on a 1/2" endmill, T1:

    G65 P9853 B3 T1 D1 S.5

    If you did the same thing, but added Hh.hhh to the above block, the control assumes a tool breakage detection cycle and with the huge value you have in the tolerance, I think it's messing you up. If you simply want to measure the tool and not go into tool breakage stuff, use what I wrote above.

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    haastec is offline Cast Iron
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hele63 View Post
    Let me know if i am the problem?????????????? lol never claimed to be the end all be all in programing lol
    Helmut
    Yes, you are the problem.

    Look through the manual as I previously mentioned and try samples like Matt posted.

    The cycles that you are using can be made to work, but I forget what all needs to be changed inside the macro programs off the top of my head.
    Using the cycles listed in the manual (and like Matt provided) will give the same results, and by understanding how these work will open up unknown amounts of potential for using your probe and tool setter in future programs.

    It's time to read up.

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