I purchased two Haas machines (a lathe and a mill) about a year apart. There were no hidden charges from the original quote. The dealer was Selway.
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The riggers moved the machine into my garage. I installed the electrical and air (I did not turn on the machine). Then, the next day, a technician showed up to set up the machine.
A day or two later, a technician showed up to train me (I paid for on-site training).
About two weeks ago, I broke the tool probe on the mill -- the people on this forum (including Haastec) helped. The tool probe is up and running, with no need to bring in a tech. So far, Haas, and Selway have treated me very well.
I was always curios as when I saw when customizing the machines you can add the 4 hour on site training, it made me think without that they dump the machine on the loading dock and take off. Good to hear thats not the case.
The HFO we bought our machines from (Productivity, Inc. in Minneapolis) offers ongoing training classes at their facility for free. There is one day classes on setup and operation, and two day classes on programming. You can take a refresher or send new hires down as long as you have the machine. They are a great dealer to work with.
Productivity is awesome... I love visiting their shop, very very cool, so much cool stuff.
If you guys are planning on running flood coolant you are going be dealing with a messy floor.
We have all kinds of makeshift splash guards on our TL.
Hey Im a new TL-2 owner also!
I have had it for a week, and so far i really like the machine. We too needed the longer work envelope that this machine provides. Im using a quick change toolpost instead of the turret, and im happy with how that is working for me. Coolant= big mess on the floor. I have seen them with the enclosure and it isnt any better, the enclosure is poorly designed in my opinion , so i opted to keep my 4000.00. I am going to buy the front gutter assembly from haas (for the enclosure) this will catch the coolant spilling down the front of the machine. The front gutter is 465.00 (these are components of the enclosure) and the rear gutter is 165.00. I figure they fit the machine, are already painted, and i dont have to mess around trying to build something. I think having these on there will catch 90%. I had also called to ask about a coolant catcher for the spindle tube, they dont make one for the tl1/2 but i have seen a tl3 that has it with a hose running to the rear gutter. The manual for the intuitive programming system leave a lot of information out, and playing with the control seems to allow you to figure it out, i think they really missed some important stuff regarding use of the ips. I was trying out the re threading function, which i finally figured out, but im not sure what the od thread repair is vs using the re threading tab. The manual wasn't too helpful. That said, I really like the machine a lot. I like the new tailstock design with the shot pin setup., the tl3 i saw had a binding mechanism that pushed laterally on the linear rail, which seemed to work but i dont think it works as well as what i have. We should start a tl user forum to compile use information and tips and trick, the stuff haas left out, you know. Good luck new tl owners!
If you look around the Haas website, there is a supplemental manual for the IPS.
Regarding the rear of the spindle, we made a tapered plug from delrin & just push it
into place at the back of the spindle. Works as long as you don't need to extend you work out the back of the spindle, obviously.
No need to spend a bunch more money with Haas. See attached pictures this is how we solved the coolant issue. The idea came from this forum I beleive Eric somebody....I think Eric U.
A cpa with O-ring to plug spindle works great.
I do have a TL-2 too. Mine is the fully enclosed version (the open one isn't available here in Germany). The enclosure is tight, as long as the coolant doesn't get to the back.
For the coolant coming through the spindle bore, I welded a little piece onto that "door" at the very left that completely eliminated all dripping.
I have never used the manual mode, I even don't know how to switch to the menu. So I only use the hand wheels when cleaning the lathe (the one in the previous post might need some slight cleaning ). I have my doubts that working with the hand wheel of the Z-axis is of any use. There's only a coarse rack, you don't have much feel on that one.
Overall, I'm very happy with here. Was the right choice for me.
We got training from the guys in Toronto, they were awesome. They take care of us well.
It's about 4hrs of training but you should be able to pick it up in about an hour or two, if you have any previous Haas experience.
Invited a freind by to join us in the training because he was looking to buy a TL-2. He runs a ProTrack and was a little intimidated by the G-code.
You dont need to know it to run this machine, but because it is up on the screen it will teach you.
Sooner or later you will pick it up.
I think going between manual and auto on this machine is the big plus about it.
You can easily toouch off your tools - manually - diameter and face.
I plan on changing the handles to flip handles so you have someting more to hang on to when in manual.
Plus the HFO tech showed us something cool on the machine.
If you need to do a 45 degree chamfer on a corner, you can bring your tool to the/a corner manually, hit a setting, and only have to use one handwheel.
The other axis will move in the desired direction at the same speed giving you a perfect angle.
No more multiple hand dexterity and eye co-ordination req!!!....lol...
The coolant issue might be a problem becaue we dont have a full enclosure either.
We havent run coolant on it yet, but will look at making that guard Athack mentioned.
Sometimes simple solutions are best.
Can you please explain how to do this in more detail? I have a TL1 and I am very interested in this function.
Originally Posted by handscrape
I'm not too sure exactly how to do it, as I haven't done it yet, only saw him do it the other day.
I don't know if it is available on older models but it is worth finding out.
From what I remember, you have to go into Chamfer/Radius mode in the IPS page.
There is a function selection there that when you activate it, it allows movemet of both axis.
I'll play around with it tomorrow morning and figure out the exact procedure and let you know.
well, i did spend more money with haas, and im glad i did.
I did a little investigating, the chip collector for the outboard side of the spindle apparently doesnt ship with the tl-2's anymore? I ordered the chip collector and door for a tl-3 (from the tl-3 with enclosure part breakdown/drawings) that bolted right on my tl-2, so im happy with that and a spindle plug im good to go there.
I ordered (for a tl-2, from the tl-2 with enclosure drawings)
the front gutter and two leveling push bars, and the rear gutter. This is something that i couldnt have made myself and painted for the price of buying it from haas. It works great at collecting all of the coolant that was spilling down the front of the machine, and the back of the machine. and it is wide enough that it gets some of the splash and chips as well. I am making a rubber way wiper for the x axis instead of the felt that haas uses (which just lets the damn coolant through). So it is getting better. I made a steady rest storage bracket of the end of the tailstock end stops, so my steady is stowed right at the machine, off the floor.
Haas should be shipping the machine the way i have modified it. It is silly for all of these owners to complain about coolant leakage and other issues. I am not happy that i had to spend another 600.00 on sheet metal from haas, but i am happy that i did it, if you know what i mean.
I would love to see a pic if you get it all done.
I am looking at customizing a few things on mine here, will post pics once I get them done.
Initially I called Haas to see if I could get a vertical turret for my TL-2.
The TL-3 comes with one as an option but they said that they were busy and couln't do any custom builds.
I would be better off to find an aftermarket one.
I soo badly wanted one and was willing to pay for it, so looks like I'm going to have to do this one on my own.
Maybe they will sell me one for a TL-3 if I bug them bad enough.
sometimes you have to git-r-done with what you got...
and sometimes what you got ain't a lot...
you might be able to just call the hfo and buy it. but i think it would be too big for the tl2, you would probably only be able to get at turning small parts. pm your phone number or email and i will send you a pic from my phone.
oh, dorian makes a turret,
sauter makes tool turrets, they are better i think.
I would just stick with the toolpost on a tl lathe. its pretty easy to load up holders for a job. I have an Hl-2 so if the job needs more tools and isnt too long i run it over there anywasy, so i guess im biased. I know i definitely didnt want the little 4 tool jobby that they sell.
I have bought quite a few holders and im setup pretty good now.
my next project for the winter time is going to be adding a renishaw high precision manual arm for setting tool offsets. i need some help figuring out what interface i need.
This will be interesting to try. I will look into it on monday ,thanks..............Ron
Originally Posted by handscrape
Has anyone gone for the higher speed spindle? I am going to be turning allot of parts from 1/2-2" I am a little concerned about surface speeds...
Also, if they have gone for the higher speed spindle, what does this chip/coolant guard look like?
I work for a municipal wastewater treatment plant that is serviced by 100 pump and lift stations where I am the only machinist to make repairs and manufacture replacement parts for our equipment.
We are slated to receive a TL-3 in December. Being an all manual machinist I thought that the IPS was the way to go for me to be able to get programs written for the fairly simple stuff that I do regularly, like pump shafts, packing sleeves, wear rings, etc.
Really looking forward to getting it. And learning something new. I have been trying to get a CNC machine for over ten years, and It wasnít until I made the point that when I retire in another 7 years that management was going to be hard pressed to find someone with my experience on manual equipment.
Really glad to have found this forum. Iíll be posting pictures of my new machine when it gets here.
I run a TL-2 ten hours a day! Five days a week.....
I bought a TL-2 last December. I run a small part time shop so it doesn't have a lot of hours on it. I received a "maintenance required" on the console alert. Checked it out and it says maintenance on the chuck is due. I bought it with the 10" BTC 3 jaw true set chuck. Been looking through the manuals and online and not finding a lot of information. Anybody have this chuck on their TL-2 and what preventative maintenance are you doing? Definitely interested in the gutter rail setup also.. Love the TL-2 but don't like the way it dumps coolant all over the floor..