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He also had the parameter for spindle load in the Haas on. It shuts the machine down when it hits 100% load
Video was dumb, but I really hate the total bullshit marketing Haas does with the HP ratings, but like you said, marketing [Read: bullshit] sells machines. That sticker is much cheaper than a bigger motor, bigger VFD, ect, and it accomplishes the same goal with a much higher profit margin for Haas.Does show that haas like to greatly over rate their stuff, along with a couple other brands, and since most people buying(and selling them..) them seem to believe nearly anything, turns out its a good marketing scheme.
I'm guessing a riser only. They had the specs at the show and that's the last time I've seen anything about it. I wasn't interested in the option so I didn't pay that close of attention, other than to make a mental note of it. Makino dosent keep up their web page all that well, The PS95 riser model isn't listed and the 50 tool machine is actully 60 tools.Is the 13" a riser or do you get another 13" of travel?
He's not really comparing apples to apples.
The Haas is slower, but it has a lot more travel. Put a 25" tall part on the table and see what the Makino does. Or a 24" deep part.
I'm not a Haas fanboy, but this is kind of a stupid video. It's like saying a Corvette is faster than a Suburban and they cost the same. Let's see the Corvette haul 5 guys.
A Makino with as much travel as that Haas is gonna cost twice what he paid for the PS-95.
...So as you can see the numbers bear out the purported 100% spindle load on the Makino. The Okuma would be about the same in this cut with Makino just having maybe a slight edge in duty-rated torque. To think that the Haas would really stand a chance to compete with the Makino in this "test" is simply foolish. The guy obviously stacked the deck when he chose a cut at 100% load for the Makino. He should have chosen cutting parameters that would put 100% load on the Haas and contrasted the difference in load on the Makino in that cut.
--Gary
It's still a stupid video.
Seems pretty logical that a machine that costs 50% more should be at least 50% faster.
I think for 99.9% of the work done in an average shop with a 40x20 machine, the travel differences between a PS-95 and VM-3 are negligible. It's not like he was comparing a 50 taper bridge mill to a drill tap machine, and proclaiming one was better because it was faster. These are two 40x20 class machines, with a $45,000 difference in price. You could do these exact same tests against a regular non-extended VF-3, or even VF-2, and the Makino is still going to embarrass the Haas. If a shop is doing the type of work where that additional travel of the Haas will outweigh the significant productivity increase of the Makino - then by all means, the VM-3 would be the right choice. In Bob's case, the $45,000 difference in cost between the two machines was made in a matter of weeks.
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