Congratulations, you win the world's biggest liberal tree hugger award. When I mention the "it is illegal to wash your own car" law must people think I am making it up and or it is a major case of liberals run amok. You are the first one all for it. On the other hand I thought liberals looked out for the poor. At a penny a gallon for city water you could wash your car at home for less than a dollar including soap. Now someone on a low income is forced to pay $10 for a car wash. That $9 can buy a few days food if a person is thrifty. All the storm drains are hooked up to the sewer system that goes to a treatment plant. What is next? Make it illegal to do your own laundry? Make it illegal to take a shower? Maybe everyone should be forced to do laundry and shower at places that recycle water. Look at the big pile of crap California is, highest taxes and fees in the USA. Yet we have high crime, filthy cities, and terrible roads to drive on. California as a whole votes heavily Democrat, what does that tell you?
Originally Posted by John Welden
Note that both Factcheck and your source are using the same government sources; in somewhat of an apples to oranges comparison.
Originally Posted by RedBaron
Perhaps the most sensible way of looking at debt is to view it as a percent of GDP. By that measure there was indeed a surplus during the Clinton administration.
Imagine two families. One takes on a $2,000/month mortgage payment while its monthly income stays at, say, $2,000 a month. That's a recipe for borrowing and, if continued long enough, disaster. Another takes on a $2,000 month debt, but it's income increases from $2,000 to $5,000 a month. That debt isn't a problem, as long as family income remains strong. My point is that it's not the absolute value of debt that's important (your source) as the ratio of debt to income and wealth.
A skeptic (myself among them) might think that some of what counts as GDP in recent decades is partly illusory; especially in some of the high tech and then housing bubbles. Clinton had the good fortune to preside over a rising economy just as Obama has had the bad fortune to preside over a falling economy.
"All the storm drains are hooked up to the sewer system that goes to a treatment plant."
You sure about that I guess you pay a premium for sewer then with all that storm water over flowing the treatment plant everytime Ol mother nature desides to open up her tear ducts Sorry , but around here storm sewer and sewer are 2 different systems . Storm sewer (water) goese to a ground water recharge system of some sort , While Sewage goes to a treatment plant .
Cool! When are the extreme left wingers showing up? John Welden is single-handedly carrying the banner for them -- can't wait!
Originally Posted by Dualkit
It's all the Democrat's fault. Then again, California has the highest population of elderly, gays, hispanics, asians, foster kids, federal prisoners and illegal immigrants too, so maybe it's their fault.
Look at the big pile of crap California is, highest taxes and fees in the USA. Yet we have high crime, filthy cities, and terrible roads to drive on. California as a whole votes heavily Democrat, what does that tell you?
You need to deregulate pollution controls in California -- the air quality will get much better, and you'll make California much more competitive...
Not mine. The ones in front of the shop dump into Cole Creek about 200 yards away. In about 8 miles this dumps into the Flint River where it heads for Lake Huron.
Originally Posted by Dualkit
The storm drains at my house go about a 1/3 mile then dump into the river.
The same river GM used to dump everything into for many, many decades although they were downstream from me.
In the 60s-70's you did not get close to the Flint river, the smell itself told you this was not good.
Property on the river was worthless.
Something helped somehow.
Now you can canoe and fish in it again. I'll take the dog down and let her play in the water.
This is something I would have never done when I was a kid.
I am no fan of regulations. All those rules are a real pain in the ass.
When the EPA told me I could not dump my shop floor mop water into my own septic system I was saying WTF.
But I have seen a huge change around here.
Seeing the difference kind of makes you a believer.
Directly? Nope. At least I don't think so.....
Originally Posted by smalltime
Did he breathe a huge sigh of relief after they happened? probably..... he'd been backing the Japanese into a corner for quite a while, and at the same time trying to provoke the Germans as well.... It's well known that he wanted the US to get into the war.....
Bush was not involved with 9-11 If anyone was, it was Cheney. There is a strong smell of "look the other way and let's hope something happens" in the way warnings never made it up the chain, and the fact that known people were involved.
Maybe another "fast and furious" type sting op that got away........ but quite possible Cheney fixed it with his old pals at the agency to just let it get buried and not seen.
You can never really trust agency type folks...... They deal in deception all the time, and it corrupts them like rust.
St Louis has a "combined" system..... They were VERY popular for quite a while. My suburb has them also.
Originally Posted by ihbuilder
Normally everything goes to the treatment plant. In heavy rain, there are overflows that dump into the creeks. One is just down the hill, I can probably get you a photo of it, and maybe the sign on it as well that declares it.
There is a huge EPA lawsuit about it, and our metro sewer district is gonna have to spend 4 billion over 20 years to fix it as part of a settlement.
You can look it up on-line.
Well, you might take an interest in thought, language, the brain and their effects on society and the human condition.
Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke
Chomsky is meta.
Way off topic but I belive Darwin's theory of evolution 100% and simply can't fathom how anyone could doubt it.
You only have to look at everything around you. Evolve/adapt or perish.
Actually this is incorrect.
Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke
Both conservtives and liberals want government to grow.
Libertarians want it to shrink.
Conservatives and Libertarians are not the same, as evidenced by the strong contingent of leftist Libertarians.
Conservatives tend to trust big business more than they trust government, thus espousing policies to grow big business.
Liberals tend to be the other way around.
The Political Compass - Test
01-21-2012, 02:06 PM
That happened n 1934 - what regulations were in effect then?
Originally Posted by lazlo
That facility was built there to provide products to the emerging Indian ag industry. The Indian government was a 50/50 partner and Indians ran the company. Even the US court of appeals stated as much. The demand and desire for a chemical company in India existed, the government was willing to partner - the only possible outcome is that there was going to be a chemical plant there.
The disaster appears to have been sabotage, there being no established process for permitting the introduction of water into the chem tank which caused the reaction.
That does not mean UCC were not asshats here at home:
Union Carbide Agrees to Pay $408,500 Fine for Safety Violations - NYTimes.com