Thread: Manufacturing In America and Europe only?

Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke

You're not asking for my opinion. You're asking to guess. What if ....................? I just don't know and you don't either. I do know were doing better than the majority of European countries. how log will it lat? Beats me but we try to come up with new things.

Read this .................. and look at that. I can open 10 channels (or Google 10 websites) and get different views and opinions on the exact same event. I've got to reply on the common sense I feel I have. I might even have to pluck things out of several channels and think things over.

I had a similar discusion with RJ a while back and if I haven't seen smething myself then I can never be 100% sure. Even if I've seen it it could be what someone is wanting me to see.

I've been in countries where people were very friendly (most Asian countries and also the USA) but I couldn't say the same about all countries in Europe or Africa. Am I biased? I don't know, but I'm pretty sure you are with your views on some countries you've only read about.

I admit I give links sometimes when I post but I don't think you'll ever find where I claimed that it was THE TRUTH. Just something to read and evaluate.

Gordon

I'm absolutely biased. The whole truth of the matter is that the one country in question keeps a huge portion of it's people as very poorly paid slaves more less, living in primitive conditions, while building nukes and space rockets, what a concept :-).

In America, or Demark as far as I know, tmw if you or I decide we want to move somewhere else and take up a new trade we can DO that if we feel like it, not so much other places in the world. I think that is an important difference.

Bill

Gordon,

Guangdong area has many beautiful towns where are well-developed. You had been to Guilin, very nice place, it's a pity I have not been to there, it's one of the most famous places for sight-seeing . There is an old Chinese saying:"By water, by mountains, most lovely, Guilin !"
Yes Gambei means bottom up, if it's beer, generally I think it is Okay for you guys, haha, but if its Chinese spirits, just say slowly...(In Chinese its "man man lai")And Beijing is definitely a place worth a go.

Hey Willbird,

It seems that you are talking our ears off on this sort of evil things, you are holding it and kissing it, do you often use the "mushroom"? To me I have never seen a stuff like this, so I am not sure if it happened to me whether my limited imagination would tell what it is used for.


About the figures of Christians in China, I don't know and very little people can tell as it is difficult to gather statistics,what I can tell you that is there must be much more Buddists in China.(As well in East Asia)

There was an 'art-deco-machine' whom might be banned in this forum, he likes milling the shit in a bucket just like you...

Don't submitting somthing you don't really know from your stink bucket, and hey, folks here all know there are plenty of disinfectant septic tanks

on the net.




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Bill, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, you should get out more.

Originally Posted by willbird

I'm absolutely biased. The whole truth of the matter is that the one country in question keeps a huge portion of it's people as very poorly paid slaves more less, living in primitive conditions, while building nukes and space rockets, what a concept :-).

If it's China you're referring to (it could be so many other countries) then just think of the conditions people had only a few years ago and how things are now. There's an optimism and pride that's easy to see and there is no doubt about it - the average person in China is improving their life style.

In America, or Demark as far as I know, tmw if you or I decide we want to move somewhere else and take up a new trade we can DO that if we feel like it, not so much other places in the world. I think that is an important difference.

You're a bit vague. Where are these "other places in the world" you're referring to? If you can give a couple of examples (without using a link) it'd be great. If it's first hand knowledge then you certainly have my attention.

Bill

Gordon

Originally Posted by chinahand

Gordon,

You had been to Guilin, very nice place, it's a pity I have not been to there, it's one of the most famous places for sight-seeing . There is an old Chinese saying:"By water, by mountains, most lovely, Guilin !"

Joseph, I think you'll know what I'm referring to when I say that our guide was very impressed that I could see 7 horses on the face of the mountain while sailing. I found the 7th horse by combining 3 of the other horses to "one" horse. It seems no one had done that LOL

Gordon

Gordon,

In Guilin, a mountain it looks like there are 9 horses, the more numbers of horses you can make out, the more wise you are,according to tradition, people who can make out more than 7 who can be a great statesman.


Joseph
Opps,seems the "smiles" feature doesn't work.(Why there is no any display of the smiles table?)

Hyundai Overtakes Ford in U.S. Market
Hyundai Motor has overtaken Ford in terms of retail sales in the U.S. market for the first time. Hyundai sold 221,070 vehicles there from January to May this year, compared to Ford's 205,396, according to Hyundai Motor America president John Krafcik on Tuesday.


The Chosun Ilbo (English Edition): Daily News from Korea - Hyundai Overtakes Ford in U.S. Market

Start at 6,300 USD possibly, China's Great Wall Motors will enter U.S. market this year.

Originally Posted by chinahand

Hyundai Overtakes Ford in U.S. Market
Hyundai Motor has overtaken Ford in terms of retail sales in the U.S. market for the first time. Hyundai sold 221,070 vehicles there from January to May this year, compared to Ford's 205,396, according to Hyundai Motor America president John Krafcik on Tuesday.


The Chosun Ilbo (English Edition): Daily News from Korea - Hyundai Overtakes Ford in U.S. Market

Um FORD claims different numbers

Ford Motor Company U.S. retail sales increased 12 percent in May of this year. A total of 216,267 vehicles were sold in May, a 13 percent increase versus year-ago levels. Ford Sales Analyst, Erich Merkle says sales gains were experienced across the board.

And I dunno WHERE you got your numbers for Hyundai ?? Ford out here in the free world news sold 4x more cars in may than Hyundai ?

COSTA MESA, Calif., June 1, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Hyundai Motor America, the most fuel-efficient automaker in the U.S., today announced an all-time May sales record of 67,019 units, up more than 13 percent over last year's all-time May record, and the second best sales month in company history.
Source: PR Newswire (Hyundai Motor America Reports Best-Ever May Sales -- COSTA MESA, Calif., June 1, 2012 /PRNewswire/ --)

I see the source of confusion, Hyundai sold BY THE END END OF MAY (jan-feb-mar-april-may)205,396. Ford sold 216,267 IN THE MONTH OF MAY. And or they are talking only SEDANS, just a little hint about America....most peoples "car" is a truck, van, or SUV ;-). Neither my wife or I own a "sedan", all the inlaws together with 6 drivers in all own 8 vehicles and only 2 "sedans".

This figure is a tally of sedans sold to general consumers but does not include SUVs, pickup trucks and company cars.

Also China is sucking tall

China's factory activity data fell more than expected in May to its weakest reading this year, highlighting concerns the worsening euro zone debt crisis will further undermine global economic growth.

Willbird

Maybe you are right as my source of S Korean used the word of "vehicles" for Hyundai.

China’s first woman astronaut back from space, a very cute girl.



At the same time:
China's manned submersible, Jiaolong, began its 6th and last dive in the Mariana Trench Saturday morning, targeting a depth between 6,900 to 7,100 meters below the surface of the Pacific Ocean.

The Jiaolong set a national dive record on Wednesday after reaching 7,062 meters below sea level during its fifth dive into the Mariana Trench, the deepest part of the world's oceans.

After arriving at the area earlier this month, the Jiaolong had succeeded in reaching depths of 6,671, 6,965, 6,963 and 7,020 meters in its first fourth dives from June 15 to 24, easily surpassing the previous national record of 5,188 meters it set last July.

The Jiaolong enabled China to join the ranks of deep-sea faring countries. The United States, Japan, France and Russia currently lead the world in the development of deep-sea exploration technology, each possessing their own submersibles and support bases

Originally Posted by gmatov

Chinahand says:

"Do the American think that the U.S. influenced the progress of S. Korea?( Some Japs think so.) " Where he uses "Japs", I wonder if that is racial memory. The Japanese also ruled Japan from about 1905 to WWII.

I got to clarify that I don't personally hate the Japanese, I thought 'Jap' is something like 'Brits' or 'Aussi'. But many Chinese people hate the Japanese because the Japanese did not acknowledge their mistakes(guilt) toward China.

BTW, We Chinese also say if you want to know the Tang Dynasty of China(618—907 A.D.), you should go and see Japan.

Originally Posted by chinahand

I got to clarify that I don't personally hate the Japanese, I thought 'Jap' is something like 'Brits' or 'Aussi'. But many Chinese people hate the Japanese because the Japanese did not acknowledge their mistakes(guilt) toward China.

BTW, We Chinese also say if you want to know the Tang Dynasty of China(618—907 A.D.), you should go and see Japan.

I can't help but wonder which country would love Japan if the Japanese had acted like this in their country?

Nanking Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or the Bataan Death March

Bataan Death March - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Bataan Death March (Japanese:Batān Shi no Kōshin (バターン死の行進?)) was the forcible transfer, by the Imperial Japanese Army, of 76,000 American and Filipino prisoners of war after the three-month Battle of Bataan in the Philippines during World War II, which resulted in the deaths of thousands of prisoners.[3]

Originally Posted by Gary E

or the Bataan Death March

Bataan Death March - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Bataan Death March (Japanese:Batān Shi no Kōshin (バターン死の行進?)) was the forcible transfer, by the Imperial Japanese Army, of 76,000 American and Filipino prisoners of war after the three-month Battle of Bataan in the Philippines during World War II, which resulted in the deaths of thousands of prisoners.[3]

The father of one of my friends in Scotland was one of the few that survived building the bridge over the River Kvai.

My own father fought against the Japanese at the end of WW2.

I have been to the bridge in Thailand and seen the pictures from the "memorial". Sickening.

The real Bridge on the River Kwai | Train from Bangkok to Kanchanaburi & River Kwae

river kwai bridge - Google-søgning

I'd love to visit Japan one day but I hope I can never understand the Japanese mentality.

Gordon

After talking about Korean car, here is an article on Chinese car...

Chinese cars are growing in popularity in countries like Brazil, Russia and Saudi Arabia, where buyers are more interested in low cost than in Western brands.

Buy an used car or buy a "great wall"?( She bought a Chinese car that cost less than half the price of a Toyota with similar features.)
"Jacob N. George, the managing director of J. D. Power’s China division, said that Chinese automakers had been steadily closing the gap with their overseas rivals since his company began doing annual surveys in 2000. If trends continue, he predicted Chinese manufacturers would catch up in quality by 2018."



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/06/bu...pagewanted=all
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Originally Posted by chinahand

After talking about Korean car, here is an article on Chinese car...

Chinese cars are growing in popularity in countries like Brazil, Russia and Saudi Arabia, where buyers are more interested in low cost than in Western brands.

Buy an used car or buy a "great wall"?( She bought a Chinese car that cost less than half the price of a Toyota with similar features.)
"Jacob N. George, the managing director of J. D. Power’s China division, said that Chinese automakers had been steadily closing the gap with their overseas rivals since his company began doing annual surveys in 2000. If trends continue, he predicted Chinese manufacturers would catch up in quality by 2018."



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/06/bu...pagewanted=all
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China and India will both be sending more and more inexpensive cars on the market. When the quality issue is resolved (and it will be) then the competition will really start.

One thing Since when has Saudi Arabia been interested in buying low cost items? Perhaps the Saudis are planning on giving their foreign underpaid house help cars so the can drive further to shop for them?

Gordon

Ooops, just remembered. I don't believe women are allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia unless their father, husband or brother is in the car.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's...n_Saudi_Arabia

I can't help but wonder which country would love Japan if the Japanese had acted like this in their country?

Gordon,

For the Japanese,I forgot who ever said that: Only if you conquered them and they will eat out of their hands...

I don't know who said it either but I'm sure it would be "eating out of your hand" rather than "their"

Rather like feeding a morsel to a dog.

Gordon

Thanks Gordon for the correction.

Its said that is part of their tradition.

The Bataan Death March (Japanese:Batān Shi no Kōshin (バターン死の行進?)) was the forcible transfer, by the Imperial Japanese Army, of 76,000 American and Filipino prisoners of war after the three-month Battle of Bataan in the Philippines during World War II, which resulted in the deaths of thousands of prisoners.[3]

Comparing with the above mentioned, The history should not be forgoten, it is the 'comfort women' (sexual slavery) for notorious Japanese military during WWII , there are more than 200,000 women and girls were the sex slaves, a majority of them were from Korea.