There are physical limitations before we run out of zeros, like the press's speed. Natzi Germ had to print one sided bills in the end to keep up. Other physical limits, just how many zillion dollar bills can you carry in your wheelbarrow? I guess gov health care wouldn't need the death panels, just pay soc sec and health care benefits in cash, and only the healthy will be able to carry it to the health care provider. That's sick.

I didn't say that it was sexual, did I? It is just a little UNUSUAL for two heads of state who are grown men that are supposedly straight and are from different cultures. How many other times have you seen pictures of a U.S. pres. walking hand in hand with a foreign dignitary? I also didn't claim it was the crime of the century. I can tell that (considering the bowing complaints) that if Obama did it (hand holding) the rep/cons would NEVER stop complaining about it.

Jeff

People were claiming that Clinton was going to bankrupt the country also. It didn't quite go that way, did it. Then again, I suppose the great repub. patriot congress saved us all, huh? Only then to run it into the F*CKING ground by 2006.

P.S. Don't worry, remember the old chain-buster (A.K.A. Dick Cheney) said that deficits don't matter.

Jeff

I think the whole bowing thing was overblown.

From Japanese Customs:

http://factsanddetails.com/japan.php...d=611&catid=18

The Japanese bow to one another as a greeting, a parting gesture, a way of expressing humility, respect or apology, and an alternative to waving or saying "Hi." The Japanese often bow every time they meet someone, even if they have already seen that person several times that day. Sometimes they even bow to each other while they are riding bicycles.

When bowing, hands should be placed on the sides of the legs above the knees. Feet should be together. Don't bow more for than a couple of seconds except when praying. Sometimes Japanese bow slightly to one side so they don't bump heads with the person they are bowing to.

Bows are carefully calibrated to show different levels of respect. A short, clipped bow of about 20 degrees is used for service people or acquaintances. This bow should last no more than a second. A slower, deeper bow is used for one's boss or department head. The deepest bows are reserved for the company president or member of the board of directors. If people of unequal status bow the lower-ranking person should bow more deeply than the higher-ranking person.

News broadcasts generally begin and end with a bow. Welcome girls at Japanese department stores greet every customer with a bow. A columnist with a Tokyo newspaper once calculated that an average welcome girl bowed 665,600 times a year if she worked a five day work-day and 798,720 times if she worked six days.

To be polite bow as low or lower than the person you are bowing to. It is also a good idea to lower your eyes and keep you hands and fist unclenched against your side.

Japanese often say “bye bye” when parting. Some kids keep saying by “bye bye” repeatedly, over and over, for a long time, when they say goodbye to their friends. They do this because they like their friends so much and are sad to see them go.

Paul

No problem, Jeff. I only meant to explain why I focused on the juicy smooch. Not meaning to imply you implied anything at all. I don't doubt the smooch didn't happen behind closed doors tho Sorry if it looked like I was all huffy.

I don't support the Republicrats on either side of the isle, so I don't get over mud being slung at any of those crooks. It makes for a happier life

Always remember, DC is just Hollywood for ugly people

I'm bad at dates, but Nat'l debt went something like $0 in late 1700's to a scary, but reversible figure by early 2000's (2002), then doubled by 2007 or ?

Paul,

Thanks for your post. Protocol is protocol. 500 years ago, were you a Norseman, you would have been expected to blow your nose in the communal pot of soup.

The trials SHOULD be held on US soil. I had a discussion with an 82 year old WWII vet and he said the trials after the WAR were Military Tribunals. Problem is, the Nazis tried, and the Japanese tried were uniformed military personnel. SOME of the people, though I will not claim so for the "Sheikh", were prisoners handed over to the US forces by people who wanted to get rid of rivals, AND got 25,000 in "Rewards" for turning them in to the "Coalition Forces".

Some of them were "renditioned" from such as Albania and Kosovo. Albania is Muslim, get rid of rivals, get some money. Kosovo is mostly if not all Muslim, get rid of your rivals, get some money.

Again for 300 MILLION US citizens to shaking in their boots is ludicrous. We USED to be able to mobilize and go "over there" and kick ass. NOW, we can't go anywhere unless we have KBR and Halliburton to make breakfast for us and shake the farts out of our pants.

Pussies? You be the judge

Carry? In my state, there IS a "School Zone" rule, BUT, licensed carry is permitted to carry on school grounds. We, I think, feel that if you have passed a BG check, the Law in this State thinks you are OK with them. Carry check is more stringent than check to buy.That the largest military base in the US has NO armed MPs is ridiculous.

Wait for a civilian cop to pull your fat out of the fire? Shame on you, US Army. You are charged with protecting the US of A, and you cannot even protect yourselves.

Cheers,

George

I see what you mean now.
Unfortunately, I have to agree that there are too many politicians (of both parties) that don't really give a damn about us average joes.

Knudsen,

"I'm bad at dates, but Nat'l debt went something like $0 in late 1700's to a scary, but reversible figure by early 2000's (2002), then doubled by 2007 or ?"

Read again. We had to borrow lots, for that time, money to fight the Revolutionary War. We were in debt. We went into debt to fight the War of 1812. We borrowed to fight the "Mexican War".

We borrowed to fight the "Civil War". WWI, ditto, WWII, ditto, Viet Nam, ditto. We have never fought any War that we did not have to borrow to finance, other than the years under LBJ when a surtax was put on us to help fund it. "Guns AND Butter."

If you mean that when Clinton left office he left a surplus of about 235 BILLION bucks, and Bush came in and said "That is not the Government's money. That is YOUR money." and cut about 900 BILLION PER YEAR of taxes, well, yes, we went into massive deficit spending.

And that it went to the level it did is not good for the country, but some of you will say it was. Taking it to 11 TRILLION bucks was OK under Rep Rule, but to take it higher under Dem Rule is sacrilege.

Reps, you know, if you read this thread, tell you that the "borrow and spend" Rep rule was good for the country. The Dems "tax and spend" rule is BAD for the country.

You could make a case for that. "Borrow and spend" means that the RICH can buy bonds and bills and make money. "TAX and spend", Oh my God, that means you are going to TAKE money FROM me.

I give up on some of you. Mean sombitches, and that is in the vein of greedy. "I got mine, the hell with you."

Cheers,

George

GMATOV,
You're right about Bush spending the $700 billion and I didn't like it when he did it. But, to keep accumalating to the debt doesn't make it right. I called my Dem Senator tonight and asked how she would be voting on the Health Care Bill. I talked to one of her aids and he assured me it would be a "no cost" pay as you go (yeah right!). He said it would be paid for by wasteful spending being cut. I asked if he could elaborate on that? He said well I really don't know much about it.
If there is $500 Billion in wasteful spending to compensate for this health care bill, than why isn't anyone (Dems or GOP) taking care of it now? Does this mean if the health Care doesn't pass, we will continue down the road of wasteful spending and not look into it.
The President says no illegal immigrants will receive this Govt Health care. How will that work since the GOP wants to put a provision in there for E-verify whether or not someone is a citizen or not. DEMS wont do it! Cost will go through the roof.
On top of that, I here all you lefties say that it is the right that is standing in the way of health care. We aren't standing in the way of anything. The DEMS have the House/Senate and the White House. They got the majority in the House/Senate, so go on and pass your health care. Push it on through, what are they waiting for?
On top of that, I do not see where the Federal Govt. has the authority under the Constitution to mandate Health Care. Under the 10th amendment of the Constitution, this is a States Right Issue (just as a driver is compelled to carry liability insurance in certain States). If the individual states want to go down that road, than that's there right. But for the Federal govt to do so, I do not believe it is there. Over the past 20 years the Federal govt arm is getting longer and longer. They need to go back and look into the Sovereignty rights of the States!
By the way GMATOV, I want to Thank you lefties for taking Arlen Spector off our hands. I thought it was the worst thing the GOP could have done to support Spector and not the other GOP candidate in the primary. I would like to ask the RNC how well that worked out for them!
Also, how far are you from the Sesquahanna river? That's where my family settled in 1754. Someday I want to take my family to PA and see Gettysburg.

take care,

Scott

"Government is far to important to leave up to the politicians." --Ceaser

Knudsen,
According to the History books, the last time we had a zero balance on the national debt was during the Administration of Andrew Jackson (1829-1837). Every President from then on has added to it (some more than others).
To me, it doesn't matter if it's Dems or Reps, why would I trust them to run Health Care when the country seems to run on a loss every year. I know there are a number of people who talk about all the surpus money we had under Clinton. But you don't have a surpus of money if you have an outstanding debt to pay and you do nothing to pay down that debt.
Bush certainly made the National debt look scarry with his spending and the President we have now seems to think we are just playing with Monopoly money and if we run out, just fire up the printing presses.
You're definately right Knudsen about scarry. It's a problem that exists in America that goes from the top on down to the bottom in American society. The problem of living beyond your means. It's no wonder that the National Debt is at an alarming rate when you have Americans who carry an average Credit Card debt of $10,000-$12,000. I grew up learning that if you couldn't pay for it, you didn't need it. Congress and the White House on both sides need to learn this lesson.

regards,

Scott

TOM1,
You are (A number#1) funny Joe! I like the picture of Rosie Khalil. A picture is worth a thousand words. I'm not quite sure which one of the two of them would be offended the most though! (BAH HAH HAH!!)

Regards,

Scott

That's correct. The president is supposed to be representing the American people when in a foreign country. It's mere political correctness to bow because you think they would like it. In reality as you say, it's interpreted as a sign of weakness.

I was finished with Obama when he told the Arabs that America is a muslim nation. What does that mean?

It means that you have no idea what you are talking about. THAT is what it means.

Jeff

I looked all over and cannot see where Obama said that to Arabs or anyone else for that matter.
Is this just something you heard on talk radio perchance?

I remember some word-bite , seems on TV but not sure.
not even of the exact wording.

I simply remember the impression it left.
"I am Obama ! I am all things to all people !
today and always !
no matter your orientation or race or religion or what-ever.

Thats what I got out of it.
And why I like and trust him, even less than the minny-Busch.
Ya act like that , how can any-one trust Ya?

m1m

That is what I thought! If it was said, probably along the lines of "America is a muslim country, America is a Christian country,etc...Freedom of religion, anyone?

As if a politician doesn't try to stay in the middle, at least to some fairly big degree?

Jeff

And M1M asks how you can doubt he is what he says he is!

01/01/1837 336,957.83
01/01/1836 37,513.05
01/01/1835 33,733.05
01/01/1834 4,760,082.08
01/01/1833 7,001,698.83
01/01/1832 24,322,235.18
01/01/1831 39,123,191.68
01/01/1830 48,565,406.50
01/01/1829

Missed one of the years of Jackson's reign. Paying down the deft from the War of 1812 and other debts. DID run up in the last couple years, though. NEVER were we debt free.

You guys MISS the last 8 years, though. Bush I had to raise taxes to keep his deficit under ridiculous numbers. Clinton raised taxes to try to bring Bush I's deficit down. Bush II CUT taxes all through his regime, spent like a drunken National Guardsman, and left Obama with 11 TRILLION in debt.

YOU think Obama should have done a Magic Act and wiped out all the miseries we are in today.

Were the Pres as omnipotent as you WISH he were, and you would rue if he was, he could just RAISE taxes on the RICH, which, I assure you, YOU are NOT, and the Debt would be much less. NOT cleared, but less than what we have.

I cannot believe that the majority of this site is in the over 500 thou per year income group. Them who will see their taxes raised if a Medical plan is implemented.

Now, you are PISSED that we are not at FULL EMPLOYMENT, after 9 months?

At least 75% of this board is rabid Republican. "We hope he fails." and that means YOU fail!

I don't really care what your affiliation is, but to be such IDIOTS that you want the COUNTRY to go to hell because it is run by a DEMOCRAT is ludicrous.

You didn't go into hurtin' mode on Jan. 21 2009. You were hurtin' long before that. Did the hurt just FEEL better under Rep rule?

Cheers,

George

m1m,

I don't know where you got this, probably out of a crack pipe.

" Originally Posted by machine1medic View Post
I remember some word-bite , seems on TV but not sure.
not even of the exact wording.

I simply remember the impression it left.
"I am Obama ! I am all things to all people !
today and always !
no matter your orientation or race or religion or what-ever.

Thats what I got out of it.
And why I like and trust him, even less than the minny-Busch.
Ya act like that , how can any-one trust Ya?

m1m

Have you ever considered psychiatric help? I think you probably need a little.

Cheers,

George

Oh! Are you a big fan of the Psalms XXXX that tell you you should kill the pres? Are ALL of you so fucking weird that we should go on a Fundamentalist Republican Jihad? Why does not the Patriot Act apply to those assholes, when it applies to people who check out books in libraries?

SHOULD the Patriot Act be nullified, because it IS a Rep bull through Act when the country was ina panic. I can hardly believe that 300 million people who have gone to WAR are such PUSSIES, again, that chicken hawks such as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, Kristal, Will, Safire, Buckley, can rule the country. Buchanan got to change his mind, re Bush, but he is AT LEAST as vehement against Obama as any Bush appointee ever was.

I am ashamed of the people of my country who are the PUSSIES I mention. 6 fucking "terrorists" come into the country and we go into "hunker down" mode. "They will kill us all!"

When you pay mercenaries to fight your wars at 600 billion per year, you are in the end of your life as a country. You are just another client.

Cheers,

George