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OT-Scots Independence Vote.

Limy Sami

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In 10 days time, Scotland which is part of the United Kingdom, gets to vote on independence. I some Scots eyes being governed by the English is a big bone of contention, dating back hundreds of years.

In comparison, you're a much younger country, with a different structure of government, so have a different mindset to us Brits.

So - out of curiosity, how would the US feel if say Alaska or Texas (or any large state or group of states) wanted independence and had politically got them selves to the stage where the state's electorate were voting on it?

Would independence be good or bad for business?
 
I'm all for autonomy! If it is desired by the majority of the inhabitants.

IF one follows the formation of the UNION of the United States, Our Constitution specifically illuminates that the powers of the Federal government are ONLY those not controlled by the individual states.

The expectation was that each state would be autonomous, but cooperative via the central government.

Why we have strayed so far?,,,,Idiots! and those who will give up thier freedom to gain a promise of security , and sure to lose both!
 
As an individual whose family was "invited" to leave England after backing the wrong side in the War of the Roses, I would encourage the Scots to rid themselves of English rule. Regards, Clark
 
The United States of America fought a very bloody civil war over cessation from the Union.. The southern states tried it, didn't work then won't work now..
 
Technically, Texas does have the right in their charter to secede at any time, but I'm sure it would cause a civil war if they tried at this point. Our government is so ridiculously corrupt they will never let go of all they power they have accumulated. Right now there are I believe there are three states that are attempting to break into smaller individual states, and I don't see it ever happening without bloodshed. Basically the rural areas that make all the money are being bled dry by the socialist crowds in the major cities, and they have had enough. With a government that is pretty well ignoring the will of the people and rapidly becoming a police state where the rule of law is ignored, we are fast approaching a major upheaval of some sort. It will not be pretty and it will not end well for a lot of people. The only question is what will we be left with, and how long can we keep pushing it back. If you can settle your differences peacefully you will be doing far better than the scenario we are looking at. I personally feel a bunch of small self-governed country-states are much better off than one huge country because it keeps corruption and cronyism from growing into the disaster we have here.
 
Technically, Texas does have the right in their charter to secede at any time, but I'm sure it would cause a civil war if they tried at this point. Our government is so ridiculously corrupt they will never let go of all they power they have accumulated. Right now there are I believe there are three states that are attempting to break into smaller individual states, and I don't see it ever happening without bloodshed. Basically the rural areas that make all the money are being bled dry by the socialist crowds in the major cities, and they have had enough. With a government that is pretty well ignoring the will of the people and rapidly becoming a police state where the rule of law is ignored, we are fast approaching a major upheaval of some sort. It will not be pretty and it will not end well for a lot of people. The only question is what will we be left with, and how long can we keep pushing it back. If you can settle your differences peacefully you will be doing far better than the scenario we are looking at. I personally feel a bunch of small self-governed country-states are much better off than one huge country because it keeps corruption and cronyism from growing into the disaster we have here.

Texas is Unique!

The second most populous state in the Union, behind California, It has it's OWN electric power grid! (as well as being the number one electricity consumer)

If Texas were it's own nation, I wonder what it would do about the illeagal alien situation ;-) No need to comment on this, It would derail the thread...
 
Here in Canada, there has been debate on letting Quebec leave confederation to become there own country. Let them leave, they suck to much out of the rest of Canada, and we wouldn't need to be bililingual country.
 
Technically, Texas does have the right in their charter to secede at any time, but I'm sure it would cause a civil war if they tried at this point. Our government is so ridiculously corrupt they will never let go of all they power they have accumulated. Right now there are I believe there are three states that are attempting to break into smaller individual states, and I don't see it ever happening without bloodshed. Basically the rural areas that make all the money are being bled dry by the socialist crowds in the major cities, and they have had enough. With a government that is pretty well ignoring the will of the people and rapidly becoming a police state where the rule of law is ignored, we are fast approaching a major upheaval of some sort. It will not be pretty and it will not end well for a lot of people. The only question is what will we be left with, and how long can we keep pushing it back. If you can settle your differences peacefully you will be doing far better than the scenario we are looking at. I personally feel a bunch of small self-governed country-states are much better off than one huge country because it keeps corruption and cronyism from growing into the disaster we have here.

Texas would never secede - they would lose all that funding for the free school lunch program, the free school breakfast program, free after-school snack program, midnight basketball, etc. Jeeeezzzzzus man, think of the suffering and hardship!
 
Here in Canada, there has been debate on letting Quebec leave confederation to become there own country. Let them leave, they suck to much out of the rest of Canada, and we wouldn't need to be bililingual country.

I read somwhere that CN has moved it's headquarters from Montreal, citing that cesation
would make Quebec "risky"...... Cn wants satbility.

Regarding the O.P. one little fact was scotland would not get the oil
platforms off their shores, England would still get the money's from those.
 
In 10 days time, Scotland which is part of the United Kingdom, gets to vote on independence. I some Scots eyes being governed by the English is a big bone of contention, dating back hundreds of years.

In comparison, you're a much younger country, with a different structure of government, so have a different mindset to us Brits.

So - out of curiosity, how would the US feel if say Alaska or Texas (or any large state or group of states) wanted independence and had politically got them selves to the stage where the state's electorate were voting on it?

Would independence be good or bad for business?

Not really the same animal, Lots of history separates the two scenarios.

I personally think Scotland should leave well enough alone and leave the monarchy as it is. (This coming from an eighth generation Scott, Clan Grahm.)

But I'm willing to let the democratic process work, and see what happens.
 
Now to the OP ,...IF a region of the US were to claim and establish autonomy, how would it effect the passage of money (i.e. business)


I say, like dealing with Canadia or Mex-hico .,,,,Not a big deal, but it's best to know the rules.
 
Basically the rural areas that make all the money are being bled dry by the socialist crowds in the major cities, and they have had enough.

Ahem...farm subsidies?
Urban areas are far more profitable than a potato field...or a corn patch without subsidies.
Rural areas cost us money...just like Republican states do.
 
Texas is Unique!

The second most populous state in the Union, behind California, It has it's OWN electric power grid! (as well as being the number one electricity consumer)

If Texas were it's own nation, I wonder what it would do about the illeagal alien situation ;-) No need to comment on this, It would derail the thread...

Good riddance.
They can start paying tarriffs to bring things in to the US and we can fence them out.
I'm sure the rest of the gulf states would be happy to take up the port business.
 
Good riddance.
They can start paying tarriffs to bring things in to the US and we can fence them out.
I'm sure the rest of the gulf states would be happy to take up the port business.

You seem to have a vested interest in this aspect of the topic...

Is "Texas" a thorn in your side? Or is it just Texans? ;-)
 
. . . Basically the rural areas that make all the money are being bled dry by the socialist crowds in the major cities, and they have had enough. With a government that is pretty well ignoring the will of the people and rapidly becoming a police state where the rule of law is ignored, we are fast approaching a major upheaval of some sort. It will not be pretty and it will not end well for a lot of people. The only question is what will we be left with, and how long can we keep pushing it back. If you can settle your differences peacefully you will be doing far better than the scenario we are looking at. I personally feel a bunch of small self-governed country-states are much better off than one huge country because it keeps corruption and cronyism from growing into the disaster we have here.

As the OP can see, there are folks in this country, who like some of the French speaking in Canada and some Scots in the UK, would like to secede.

And many of them, IMO, are at somewhat ignorant of their own economies and how intertwined they are. As an example, here in the US it actually tends to be the urban states that make more money and pay more taxes than their rural counterparts. Even a prosperous farmer (and many of the large ones are millionaires) finds it hard to make as much as, say, the "socialist" Google-Facebook crowd. I'm also pretty sure those Google guys still want to eat -- even if it's organically grown stuff shipped ASAP to company chefs. Similarly that rural farmer might be glad of their own access to Internet, the industries that build and fuel their tractors, the urbanized areas that design and build their cars, and so on.
 
You seem to have a vested interest in this aspect of the topic...

Is "Texas" a thorn in your side? Or is it just Texans? ;-)

Most of the Texans I know are good folk, and I enjoy shooting boar down there.
Texas is full of itself...if it wants to stand alone then it can make it's own currency, repay the road dollars and protect it's own borders.
Everything may be bigger in Texas...including it's problems.
My current pet peeve is the removal of Thomas Jefferson from their history books.
 
Could be -- I was thinking more of a formerly united States where either our rural or urban states decide to split off on their own.
 
This is a real bag of worms. No matter what happens in the referendum, grief is on the menu. Autonomy has its costs and the Scots are not prepared for them. I understand the historical significance and the Scots' proud heritage, but the industrial output of Scotland is incapable of supporting the existing socialistic load. Nor do they understand that the oil revenue from the north sea will not be theirs alone. So many very important things have not been resolved, like currency, NATO membership , EU membership and trade rules. These things need to be resolved before the vote, so the voters know what they are voting for. Sounds like Obama care all over again to me.

This whole thing is happening at worst possible time with the UK's membership in the EU also coming up for a vote. In that case, the question of whether EU membership is advantageous to the UK, the answer depends on who you talk to. If it were to be answered by the financial crowd in London, the answer would be absolutely yes, but everybody else would likely say no. It isn't that EU membership could not be beneficial with everyone, it could be, but it has not happened. UK products are rarely, if ever, seen in the stores on the continent. Why is that? European goods are seen in all the UK stores, just not the other way around.
 








 
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