Thread: PM and non American members

Originally Posted by Mark Rand

Gordon, why do you persist in this quaint belief that our American cousins give a flying fuck about the differences between and importance of all the individual countries in Europe? Do you have personal knowledge of all fifty US states?

The guy's right (at least from this location) Wages appear to be insultingly low in the 'States, but buy a lot more for the money. Houses, plots of land, vehicles, even white goods are much larger than we are used to for the same class of worker (contrast that with Japan on the other hand).

Regards
Mark

And this is the Mark I know

MRT Mike has several times expressed an opinion based on his knowledge of, from what I've read of his posts, max 3 European countries 2 of which are in Eastern Europe. he insists on lumping Europe into one unit comparable to the USA. IMO it certainly isn't so and for the umpteenth time with him I'm seeking clarification os to the basis for his opinions, allegations and often erronous conclusions.

It'd help if I (and perhaps others) knew which European countries he basing his "facts" on as the countries I know best just don't fit into what he writes. On the other hand I could name a few but they are all former eastern (communistic) countries and are still on their way up.

I've written several times that the USA can't be compared to or with any single European country and I've lost count of how many times I've written that it isn't what you earn that counts, it's what you can buy with it.

If I were you I'd worry about the fact that gmatov gave you a "like" I think you'll find it was more because you managed to get a dig in at me rather than he agreed (or even knew anything about it) with what you wrote

Gordon

Originally Posted by gmatov

Mark,

What is the credit situation in England? The US is in debt to the eyeballs, and I do not mean only the Fed Gov. Student loan debt has topped 1 TRILLION USD, higher than Credit Card debt.

We buy all kinds of stuff on credit. So we THINK we can afford shit that we cant afford. We are sold bigger cars, and we finance them for 6 and 7 year terms. Christ, some people buy HOUSES on 15 year mortgages, and CARS on 7 year!

White goods are larger, 25 CF refrigerators, but they are side-by-sides, you can't put a frozen pizza in the freezer. 2500 bucks. All electronic, for the most part, big bucks to fix.

We don't BUY bigger stuff, we are SOLD bigger stuff.

You must suffer the same upsale that we do, but you may resist it better.

That is why prices are high, here, and we buy big this or that, cars, etc. Sales pressure.

Of course we have lots of wide roads, so we don't need small cars as much as you do. So we buy tanks, Hummers and the like, HUGE Toyotas, even. They have trucks to compete with Ford, GMC and Chrysler in size.

You are effete if you don't drive a 4 X 4, even to the grocery.

When you mention houses, shacks, and most poorly built and way over priced. We have LOTS of people who are sold "McMansions", probably fewer now than when the screwup was taking place that fucked the World.

THOUSANDS of those made up mortgages in Court, right now, and many of them have gone to the homeowner. Nobody can prove they hold the Mortgage. So the Homeowner actually is an owner.

SRT,

"Look at the median home size, television size, car size. "

The point IS, do you NEED a 5 grand 65" TV in a 14 foot room, and do YOU need a 4000 SF house, and do you need a Hummer? No, but it puts you one upon the Joneses. But we push them, and I'm sure your sales people do, too, get you into more than you need. The sale is all that matters.


PROFITS are King.

George

Mark, this from the guy that gave your post a "like" LMAO. This is also the guy that takes a gun into school grounds with him just in case there are Norwegian nutcases in the area. God help us all, nobody else will.

Have a pleasant weekend

Gordon

smalltime, a year or so ago saw a Hummer in a shopping center near where I live. I've never in my life seen so many people shaking their head in astonishment at one time - and it wasn't envy or admiration. Bet the guy has a tiny dick.

Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke

If I were you I'd worry about the fact that gmatov gave you a "like" I think you'll find it was more because you managed to get a dig in at me rather than he agreed (or even knew anything about it) with what you wrote

Gordon

That is the prime usage of the Like function in this forum. There is a strong political alignment to them that even a cursory review will reveal. As for George - he probably suffers from Dunning-Kruger effect. The D-K effect, which was in fact written by the first people identified to have the affliction or they would never have written about it, seems to favor Americans, but nobody is immune.

DP,

Have no fucking idea what you are speaking of, and i doubt you actually know what YOU are speaking of.

Gordon,

This is what I gave a like to:

"Gordon, why do you persist in this quaint belief that our American cousins give a flying fuck about the differences between and importance of all the individual countries in Europe? Do you have personal knowledge of all fifty US states?

The guy's right (at least from this location) Wages appear to be insultingly low in the 'States, but buy a lot more for the money. Houses, plots of land, vehicles, even white goods are much larger than we are used to for the same class of worker (contrast that with Japan on the other hand).

Regards
Mark "

We DON'T give a flying fuck the difference one European country from the other, except you can trust tools from this one but not that one, just as, as Mark says, all you know is about the US and you have very little knowledge the difference between all the 50 States.

You will twist things any way you can, will you not, to go one up, to make your self importance loom. To wit: "This is also the guy that takes a gun into school grounds with him just in case there are Norwegian nutcases in the area. God help us all, nobody else will."

You make hay from this: "Left a pistol in the glovebox. That's a no-no, but I was at a school with my grand for soccer practice. You MAY carry on school property, but I do not. Lock it up. I am 3 feet away, should I get one of the maniac Norwegians coming after mine. "

Actually, the reason I went to get it is I left the car unlocked, gave them the key, thought they would lock it but they did not, else I would not have been able to retrieve it.

You may find our love affair with firearms abhorrent, but, of all the slayings in the US, a miniscule number are done by licensed people. You MUST pass a background check to be issued a permit. You are found to be a person with normal sanity and no criminal record, nor habitual drunkard, nor even abusive husband. You, on the other hand, with almost Universal ban on anything more potent than an air rifle, STILL have maniacs who Do get firearms and commit heinous crimes. You sit in a glass house, do not throw stones.

George

Originally Posted by gmatov

Gordon,

"Gordon, why do you persist in this quaint belief that our American cousins give a flying fuck about the differences between and importance of all the individual countries in Europe? Do you have personal knowledge of all fifty US states?

We DON'T give a flying fuck the difference one European country from the other, except you can trust tools from this one but not that one, just as, as Mark says, all you know is about the US and you have very little knowledge the difference between all the 50 States.

You will twist things any way you can, will you not, to go one up, to make your self importance loom. To wit: "This is also the guy that takes a gun into school grounds with him just in case there are Norwegian nutcases in the area. God help us all, nobody else will."

You make hay from this: "Left a pistol in the glovebox. That's a no-no, but I was at a school with my grand for soccer practice. You MAY carry on school property, but I do not. Lock it up. I am 3 feet away, should I get one of the maniac Norwegians coming after mine. "

Actually, the reason I went to get it is I left the car unlocked, gave them the key, thought they would lock it but they did not, else I would not have been able to retrieve it.

You may find our love affair with firearms abhorrent, but, of all the slayings in the US, a miniscule number are done by licensed people. You MUST pass a background check to be issued a permit. You are found to be a person with normal sanity and no criminal record, nor habitual drunkard, nor even abusive husband. You, on the other hand, with almost Universal ban on anything more potent than an air rifle, STILL have maniacs who Do get firearms and commit heinous crimes. You sit in a glass house, do not throw stones.

George

George, discussing with you is like peeing against the wind. Not the most sensible thing to do. You make so many assumptions (many of which are so very wrong) that I consider it pointless.
My parents lived in the USA (Maryland) and both died there. I've been in the USA several times (with and without my family) and both in connection with work and on vacation. I've/we've driven up and down the US east cost from Canada to Florida and been to at least 10 of the 50 states. I've never claimed to be an expert on the USA but I have seen quite a bit first hand.

I have nothing against guns and live in an area of Denmark that has many hunters. What I've never understood is why so many feel the need to have one just for the sake of having one. I have in fact had a rifle for over 40 years. Made in Czechoslovakia when it still was one country

How you choose to live your life is of course up to you just as long as you don't want me to do the same as you. I enjoy it too much.

Gordon

Gordon,

This would indeed be a good place to end this thread. You know so much from several trips to the US, and South to North on the East Coast, and back.

Go into the hinterlands, as you castigate MRT Mike for not doing.

"What I've never understood is why so many feel the need to have one just for the sake of having one. I have in fact had a rifle for over 40 years. Made in Czechoslovakia."

BRNO Mauser, I presume. '98, 8 mm, or possibly a '91 in 7 mm, Sporterised, of course.

I have about 14 black powder revolvers, pre-1898, not considered firearms under our law, and as many cartridge firearms, that are regulated. I do carry one, as a habit, I am not a big strong guy as you appear, from your avatar, to be.

I need not fear you TOO much, because you threaten me, when I can meet you with equivalent force. You want to kill me, I can, justifiably match your threat.

I think there are not too many places in the World that have disarmed their police. Britain DI, then re-armed them. Britain has all but disarmed their populace. Australia, also, they have even, from what I've read, disarmed their animal control officers. Are Danish Police unarmed?

We like firearms, in the US, and we are not prohibited from owning them, as so much of the World is.

Of COURSE you would consider anything I rebut you with as pointless. I am pissing into the wind, too, speaking with you. We are at loggerheads. "The East is the East, and the West is the West, and never the twain shall meet."

Oh, I understand that the EU is entering a double dip recession, see here: Despite Germany, euro zone sinks towards recession | Reuters

Thins seem to be picking up, here, but they are looking bad, there, and is that because you have all them "furirners" IN the EU?

Have a good week.

George

Originally Posted by gmatov

Gordon,

"The East is the East, and the West is the West, and never the twain shall meet."

Have a good week.

George

The only thing in that rubbish worth commenting can be seen from this link which I have posted more than once.

http://www.visitaalborg.com/internat...d-festival.htm

It will be interesting (to say the least) to see what happens in Greece. They can't even agree to form a government and time is running out rapidly for them. An EU country go bankrupt? It'll affect more than just Europe.

I can't even imagine what will happen if a country like Greece goes bankrupt. Teachers, police, military, civil servants etc. etc. - who'll pay their wages? Greece is also a member of NATO so then what?

The not so funny part is that my wife and I are going for a weeks vacation (the island of Rhodos which is more touristy than industry) in 1½ week's time so let's hope everything goes without mishaps.

The "man in the street" in Greece blames the politicians (don't we all? ) but who voted for the politicians in the first place? Democracy as we know it started in Greece but they aren't exactly showing a good example nowadays