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    Heard on the news they didn't know how long the protests were gonna last. I guess they forgot winter is coming, that will make a lot of them go home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 axis Fidia guy View Post
    I am confused as to why this argument always comes up, how is this different then unions using there money to get liberals elected?
    Uhhhh Duh.... unions are usually 1000's or 10'000s of people. The Kochs are two guys.

    Are you still confused?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Welden View Post
    Uhhhh Duh.... unions are usually 1000's or 10'000s of people. The Kochs are two guys.

    Are you still confused?
    All directed by george soros. 1 guy, Are you still confused?

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    Rep. Peter King Calls Occupy Wall Street Protesters 'Ragtag Mob,' 'Anarchists'

    "[W]e have to be careful not to allow this to get any legitimacy," he warned. "I'm taking this seriously in that I'm old enough to remember what happened in the 1960s when the left-wing took to the streets and somehow the media glorified them and it ended up shaping policy," he said. "We can't allow that to happen."

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonlight machine View Post
    All directed by george soros. 1 guy, Are you still confused?
    citation please
    Regardless, it's still a shining example of why too much money in one place is dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Welden View Post
    Uhhhh Duh.... unions are usually 1000's or 10'000s of people. The Kochs are two guys.

    Are you still confused?
    So, just so I am clear on this, thousands of people dumping union funds into winning an election is fine, just not 2 wealthy guys contributing who they support.. ok got it, your thinking makes perfect sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 axis Fidia guy View Post
    I am confused as to why this argument always comes up, how is this different then unions using there money to get liberals elected?
    It's not at all different.

    The sad part is that the Koch Brothers wined and dined Clarence Thomas and Antony Scalia shortly before the SCOTUS decision about corporate and union campaign contributions.

    Kind of like JP Morgan paying $4.6 million to the NYPD to be friendly to the OWS protesters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazlo View Post
    It's not at all different.

    The sad part is that the Koch Brothers wined and dined Clarence Thomas and Antony Scalia shortly before the SCOTUS decision about corporate and union campaign contributions.

    Kind of like JP Morgan paying $4.6 million to the NYPD to be friendly to the OWS protesters.
    Actually there is a difference.
    The Koch bros personally profit from the policy changes they are pushing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 axis Fidia guy View Post
    So, just so I am clear on this, thousands of people dumping union funds into winning an election is fine, just not 2 wealthy guys contributing who they support.. ok got it, your thinking makes perfect sense.
    Yes...the reason is that two people shouldn't have more of a vote than 10 thousand others...or frankly any other two people for that matter.
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    The Kochs could anonymously give 1 billion dollars to Rove's Cross Roads GPS PAC.

    That's a great system. I'm glad conservatives made it possible. let's bitch about money in polotics and then open the flood gates. Good call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 axis Fidia guy View Post
    I am confused as to why this argument always comes up, how is this different then unions using there money to get liberals elected?
    I think it is a LOT different, workers in states which allow closed shops have no choice but to pay their union dues, and the union does with it as it sees fit, usually that means sending it right to the DNC, so union dues are just a DNC tax on workers in many cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazlo View Post

    They're clearly not Republicans. Although they're a Jewish family, they're not religious, and could care less about abortion, or apparently the United States. They're old oil, and they want to be left alone to pursue those interests...

    Bloomberg investigation alleges Koch subsidiaries paid bribes, sold to Iran
    Bloomberg investigation alleges Koch subsidiaries paid bribes, sold to Iran | The Envoy - Yahoo! News
    They are indeed republicans just like the Koch mouthpiece
    tea baggers. The tea party doesn't exist as a stand alone
    registered party except in one single state. Since the house
    majority leader boehner spouts the tea bag talking points,
    he must believe they are GOPer's too.

    There is no point trying to sort them out, they are republicans.

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    There is a movement afoot of people who are MORE conservative than what passes for a "Republican" these days. Yet not as extreme as say Ron Paul. And they did not MOVE there, everybody else moved left and they remained where they always were.

    I count myself in that group. I have never been to a Tea Party event, nor followed it extremely closely. Many "republicans" are in fact democrats, or more closely aligned with them...so why not just go on over to that party and run as what they are ?

    As I see it sending less of our money to the govt helps see to it that NOBODY, liberal or conservative has things forced upon them they do not agree with, especially ones funded by their hard earned income.


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    Quote Originally Posted by willbird View Post
    There is a movement afoot of people who are MORE conservative than what passes for a "Republican" these days. Yet not as extreme as say Ron Paul.
    The Koch Brothers think Ron Paul is far left.

    Seriously, they want to abolish government, social security, the CIA, the FBI, and public schools. Not because it's a political belief, but because it would maximize their profits. As they're doing by building refineries for Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazlo View Post
    . . . Not because it's a political belief, but because it would maximize their profits. As they're doing by building refineries for Iran.
    That one surprised me. Yet:

    Koch Brothers Flout Law Getting Richer With Secret Iran Sales - Bloomberg

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    Quote Originally Posted by willbird View Post

    As I see it sending less of our money to the govt helps see to it that NOBODY, liberal or conservative has things forced upon them they do not agree with, especially ones funded by their hard earned income.


    Bill
    Sounds like a fast race to zero government since nobody
    can agree on what is essential or 'things forced upon
    them.'

    A few things here people would like to see vanish or
    become greater depending on your view.

    Federal taxes.
    Fed military spending.
    Fed Welfare.
    Fed School support.
    Fed salary & benefits for elected.
    Fed rules impacting business or personal freedom.
    Fed election rules.
    Fed courts.
    Fed fee's for use.
    Fed lease agreements.
    Fed pollution clean up.
    Fed pollution rules.
    Fed royalty for mineral extraction.
    Fed roadway money.
    Fed firearms rules.
    Fed liquor law.
    Fed food safety rules.
    Fed drug law.
    Fed law enforcement on fed land.
    Probably more.

    Same for state, county, citiy or town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColoradoBoy View Post
    Sounds like a fast race to zero government since nobody
    can agree on what is essential or 'things forced upon
    them.'

    A few things here people would like to see vanish or
    become greater depending on your view.

    Federal taxes.
    Fed military spending.
    Fed Welfare.
    Fed School support.
    Fed salary & benefits for elected.
    Fed rules impacting business or personal freedom.
    Fed election rules.
    Fed courts.
    Fed fee's for use.
    Fed lease agreements.
    Fed pollution clean up.
    Fed pollution rules.
    Fed royalty for mineral extraction.
    Fed roadway money.
    Fed firearms rules.
    Fed liquor law.
    Fed food safety rules.
    Fed drug law.
    Fed law enforcement on fed land.
    Probably more.

    Same for state, county, city or town.
    That's a long list of really important issues, but some of them have no business being legislated at the federal level.

    I underlined some which could probably be better handled by state and local administrations, IMO.

    I'm not sure if the .gov machine is too powerful, or not powerful enough, but one thing that sticks out in my mind is that the ratio of power to accountability is all messed up.
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    I see the movement of wall street protesters on par with the tea party.

    Its not as left/right as people think, both are pissed off over tax payer money being wasted by fat cats and lobbyist who are losers. Bail out some bastard so they can poop on a gold toilet and buy $10,000 shower curtains.

    Reminds me of the days when the pentagon was buying ashtrays for fighter jets and $500 hammers.

    Both sides are pissed about the waste and see a stalemate and lack of real leadership.

    I see both sides point just fine, I can agree with the wall street posters and the tea party. They see it as getting screwed from the front and the back.

    thats my take on it.
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    Fed rules regarding personal and professional freedom...
    Like slavery, monopoly, treason...OK too much.
    EPA, OSHA, and personal dumping of oil.
    Safe storage and private ownership of plutonium?
    The Clean Air act...boy, I sure do miss being able to burn coal in my fireplace...and breathe lead and sulfuric acid.

    Personal and business freedom is fine until it cuts into someone else's...those laws and agencies are there for a reason...at some point assholes made them necessary.

    As for fed liquor...there's really only the tax, everything else is on the local level.

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