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article: It's Not the Wages Stupid

I disagree with Bloomberg. Of course it's wages. Corporations generally don't pay taxes. That's the way the system is designed, to strongly encourage spending on capital investment, payroll, R & D, etc. I was incorporated once, I didn't pay any corporate taxes. I could have held the money and taken a hit, but why do that?

The reason for Germany and Japan's apparent aberration is those countries have very aggressive manufacturing/industrial policy. Industry is treated like spoiled brats who get everything they ask. R & D in Germany is heavily subsidized by the tax payer. Germany has guilds that go back hundreds of years, and still have strong influence to this day.

In the USA, it's sink of swim.

Gary
 
I wonder who'll be the first here to say that it is the wages, we're totally overpaid!!! :D


It's a lot of things. We've seen lots of companies close that were here for a 100yrs, but they're still in the same POS broken down not a window left building they started in, just looking at it from a mile away is depressing and makes you wish it would just crumble now that its empty, put something fresh in that waste of space. A lot of our industry lived its life, got old, crippled and died, while many other countries are on the rise, building the things we were building here 50-100yrs ago, and we're helping them do it.

Just yesterday I saw they're filling a portion of the harbor for a new condo development.
I thought how crazy is it that when it comes to dredging to make the harbor deeper and more efficient so that larger ships can come in various ports, there's no money, too big a project, but when you wanna fill it with dirt, go right ahead, we got money for that.
 
Talking about the added costs, things definitely do get more pricey when you care about people and their safety, and have a bit of a back up plan when they get injured. We have regulations that make sure certain standards are met,(though some stuff does get foolish) but overall its decent. While companies don't have to care if some poor bastard in india is pouring the casting in sandals and his face shield is his hand, except he can't see through that so the solution is to squint.
 
All we need to do is can the EPA and quit enforcing all those stupid environmental regs! They're killing jobs!

Look how great things are in China! :cheers: We could have all this if it weren't for Al Gore and his tree huggin ********* friends!

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They were all hot to enforce the Kyoto Treaty as long as the USA was paying.

I never have heard of such failed logic - and yes I read the dam thing. There was literally nothing to prevent them from using up some 3rd World's Carbon Credits, all the while the USA would be pumping money into the country to clean up the mess, and then the Corps could move on to the next 3rd World Country and start the whole process over again

We never should have entered into such obviously flawed treaties as the China Most Favored Nation Status and NAFTA in the first place, and yes there was plenty of opposition then saying we needed those provisions. Now once we raise the concerns and obvious short comings, they say we can't go back and implement those provisions. - what a crock
 
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A lot of the current regulations and sometimes over regulation we now have here definitely comes from all the careless, high pollution and other crap we once did here too, and some regions of north america still do it, or are still very polluted and will be for 100-1000's of years.
 
They get it from the conservative media and Republicans. ALL they talk about is high taxes and over regulation.

OBAMA IS KILLING JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes5:

It's a fucking joke.

Conservative media? I just thought you were a foul mouthed internet bully, now your perception is questioned. I think you are watching a different game than the rest of us.
 
while I dont agree with the way he presents his message, I agree with john that most media is conservative.
My local newspaper is conservative (the skagit valley herald)
My local bigtown newspaper is conservative (the seattle times)
the only national newspaper that I could get delivered for years is conservative (the wall street journal)

This is true in most towns- its true the New York Times is centrist- as in, not conservative- but I would hardly call it liberal- and aside from that, basically every newspaper I have read in every major american city is pretty conservative.

Every radio station I can get except NPR is conservative- that would about 10 to 1, in my area, and that seems to be about the same in every place I have ever rented a car and turned on the radio.

Fox News is the top TEN most watched news shows- and most local TV, at least in the West, is owned by conservatives as well- the largest TV and Radio owner in most western states is the Mormon Church, thru their Bonneville company.

So yes, where I live, virtually all the mainstream media, except maybe ONE cable news channel, and ONE radio station, is conservative.

I used to live in LA, and you could get KPFK there- that was a bit more to the left- but I would say in most of America, Rush Limbaugh is considered mainstream.

All the major Broadcast news networks are owned by major, conservative, corporations- in fact, Bain Capital, Mitt Romney's old company, owns a big chunk of Clear Channel, the employer of Rush, Sean, and Glenn.

To find Left wing news, you are basically left with obscure websites- NO national TV, Radio, or Newspaper is what I would call left of center.
 
To find Left wing news, you are basically left with obscure websites- NO national TV, Radio, or Newspaper is what I would call left of center.

What do you call MSNBC? I would say that is quite liberal! Then there is/was Air America which was supposed to be a liberal alternative to Conservative Talk Radio. Just because their ratings are lower or they failed doesn't mean they don't or haven't existed.
 
I call MSNBC center right, which is what it is.
I also call it ONE tv station. My Dish Network gets about 6 different Fox channels.
Actually, if you want to see real "liberal" tv, I would recommend either Current, or Link, both of which are far from socialist, but considerably to the left of Fox.
And both of which, combined, have about the viewership of a small town in Iowa.

And I call Obama a Center Right democrat.
anybody who is seriously considering appointing Larry Summers to the World Bank is not Left, in any rational definition of the word.

Americans have a funny view of the definitions of "left" and "right". We are currently about the most right wing of any of the top 20 or 30 industrialized nations, by a significant margin.
I watch international news to get some perspective.
 
As I have said time and time again It shocks me we have so many liberals in here. Environmental regulation is the enemy of manufacturing, and if that isn't a liberal cause I don't know what is. So I come to the conclusion most of you have no idea what liberalism or conservatism mean or you are pretending to be someone you are not. Like a button pusher that claims to be upper management, etc,etc.
 
To find Left wing news, you are basically left with obscure websites- NO national TV, Radio, or Newspaper is what I would call left of center.

You could try streaming AM 1090. Thom Heartman is on there and probably the smartest liberal in the media.

Rachel Maddow on MSNBC is excellent and by far the smartest person on TV news.
 








 
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