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    Quote Originally Posted by Ries View Post
    totally depends on where you live.
    the house I grew up in sold to my parents, including the buildable vacant lot next door, for around 25 grand in about 1965. The house, along with the house built on the vacant lot next door, are each worth around 1.5 Million. Unfortunately, none of that filtered down to me...

    A gallon of non-watery chemical free milk where I live is 4 bucks. White water is still well over 2 bucks.

    A dozen eggs around here is about 4 bucks, can be as high as 7 for organic.

    It is true that electronics have become cheaper- due to the fact that they all come from Vietnam and Bangladesh and China, and are made by teenagers who make almost nothing.
    If you were buying made in america TV's today, they would be at least a couple grand.

    What about cars?
    in the early 70s, a brand new F100 was about 2500, for a straight six and a three on the tree.
    About 30 grand today, for the closest equivalent stripper F150.

    My kids, in Seattle, pay over 800 each in rent to share apartments.
    Very little in their life is cheaper than 20 years ago, and the total package, if you include things like health insurance, gas, car insurance, clothing, food, rent, and utilities, is easily ten times what I paid at their age, and, adjusted for inflation, their wages are not any higher than what I made.

    Priced a pair of made in Mexico real Levis jeans lately? 501s are sixty bucks. If you wear no-name Bangladeshi finest brand jeans, maybe, just maybe, they are only double what made in USA jeans used to cost.
    1.5 million? that seems high but I have heard of property value going up in certain areas of high demand. JMO, I think the average house has gone up in the last 50 years 3-5 times its value over the last 50 years but with the housing market taking a dump back in 2008 the value plummeted. Today I have not looked lately but my house value is about the same it was back in 1998. I heard of people in my area losing 50-100k when the housing marked dropped but how much they recovered I don't know.

    One thing I will say about todays generation is that a lot of them do not shop for cheaper items. I would never drop $60 for a pair a jeans made in Mexico. I buy lee riders at Farm N Fleet in Illinois which run between $18-$25 depending on the sales I find. You won't see me buying a $800-$1000 cell phone. I think a lot of things people buy today is for personal use and not a necessity. I would rather put food on the table vs buying 60" TV or a $400 gaming center. Do I really need a lexus when my ford or chevy will get me to work and back home? Do I really need that $200-$300 pair of nikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    So let's see:

    You're a 70+ year old man living in Denmark, AND

    You're very pro-Israel and virulently anti-Palestinian
    You prefer YouTube to print articles, just like most millenials
    You state opinions typical of a staunch American Democrat
    You have a view of history more typical of someone who wasn't there
    You are fascinated with American politics as if you lived here
    You endlessly bash Christians, conservatives, Republicans, and populists
    You start numerous political threads about America

    Nothing to see here, move on. Just a typical Septuagenarian expat Scot living in Denmark.
    I just find this last reply funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    So let's see:

    1. You're a 70+ year old man living in Denmark, AND

    2. You're very pro-Israel and virulently anti-Palestinian
    3. You prefer YouTube to print articles, just like most millenials
    4. You state opinions typical of a staunch American Democrat
    5. You have a view of history more typical of someone who wasn't there
    6. You are fascinated with American politics as if you lived here
    7. You endlessly bash Christians, conservatives, Republicans, and populists
    8. You start numerous political threads about America

    9. Nothing to see here, move on. Just a typical Septuagenarian expat Scot living in Denmark.
    1. Yes

    2. As usual you exaggerate. Pro Israel but believe Palestinians will never be in favour of peace.
    3. No. Check and you'll find it's probably about half at most.
    4. Yes more or less. I have though posted many times that who I like as president has nothing to do with party but as good as only about their foreign policy.
    5. LOL Depends on how far back you go in history. I can though trace my family back to 1580 with birth and death certificates.
    6. My parents moved to the USA less than a year after I moved to Denmark. Politics not really but I'm from a generation fascinated by the USA.
    7. Christians never. As to the rest I'm a rank amateur compared to SeaMoss.
    8. No. Many of the threads I do start get turned political by you and the (happily) few like you. Try reading the first post of one of the threads I've started and let me know what you are certain is political.

    9. You write "nothing to see" but you constantly look. Get a life of your own

    I must admit I enjoyed writing that - thanks.

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    I just heard that Senator Al Franken (D) has yielded to pressure and resigned over sexual misconduct allegations.

    Although I have never been a fan of the man, either as a comedian or as a politician, I am disappointed at his choice. Originally he had asked for a Senate ethics hearing and instead of a hearing what he got was a large number of his fellow Democrats demanding that he resign. By succeeding in those demands I feel they have weakened the rule of law in the USA. The right to a presumption of innocence now seems to be overruled by the number of accusers, especially if they are women.

    A few points should be made. While some of his behavior was indeed boorish, juvenile, and obnoxious the worst of that behavior occurred while he was still working as a comedian, a profession known for pushing the envelope. AFAIK he has never paid off accusers with government funds or committed acts on Senate time or property.

    What seems to be occurring is a mass hysteria similar to the witch hunts of an earlier century. In light of that, I suggest that when accused men fail to confess or to implicate others they should be pressed under a weight of stones until they do so. For those insisting on a full hearing or trial they should be tossed into a body of water fully dressed in heavy winter clothing. If they sink and drown we can assume they were innocent but if they float and survive they should be immediately executed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJR7 View Post
    and britain chose theresa may.
    Did they? I don't think you know how things work in other countries. Prime ministers aren't elected by popular vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Did they? I don't think you know how things work in other countries. Prime ministers aren't elected by popular vote.
    don't make assumptions.
    popular vote? what makes you think i even care about the election process in britain?
    theresa may is the pm of britain. period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJR7 View Post
    don't make assumptions.
    popular vote? what makes you think i even care about the election process in britain?
    theresa may is the pm of britain. period.
    You brought up the subject, not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    What seems to be occurring is a mass hysteria similar to the witch hunts of an earlier century. In light of that, I suggest that when accused men fail to confess or to implicate others they should be pressed under a weight of stones until they do so. For those insisting on a full hearing or trial they should be tossed into a body of water fully dressed in heavy winter clothing. If they sink and drown we can assume they were innocent but if they float and survive they should be immediately executed.
    The Democrats are eating their own. Caught Doug Schoen (sp?) the centrist Dem commentator on FOX the other night, and his take is the lunatic fringe is using this as an opportunity to push out the older, more centrist Dems, including Hil and Bill. I know, I know, Hil is hardly centrist, but Bill was. Look for it to be the Democratic People's Socialist Party by election day 2018.

    Now, if we could just do the same with some RINO's, maybe we'd get somewhere.

    One thing's sure... you won't be able to say the parties are both the same.

    Oh, and while I'm at it, as a retort to all the news media that keeps screaming about Roy Moore and the underage
    girls, check out the age of majority and legal age of marriage in Alabama.

    Dennis

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    Watched our TV news tonight. I'm at -1 GMT. 2 things of interest.

    1. A work week here is 37 hours usually spread over 5 days. A company here has reduced a work week to 4 days and reduced the hours for a work week at the same time. The interesting part is that wages are the same!

    http://cphchange.com/wp-content/uplo...IIH-Nordic.pdf

    2. The riots have started in Israel. I'll bet Trump is surprised. Hamas is threatening Intifada. Must admit I didn't know they had stopped.

    intifada | Definition of intifada in English by Oxford Dictionaries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modelman View Post
    The Democrats are eating their own. Caught Doug Schoen (sp?) the centrist Dem commentator on FOX the other night, and his take is the lunatic fringe is using this as an opportunity to push out the older, more centrist Dems, including Hil and Bill. I know, I know, Hil is hardly centrist, but Bill was. Look for it to be the Democratic People's Socialist Party by election day 2018.

    Now, if we could just do the same with some RINO's, maybe we'd get somewhere.

    One thing's sure... you won't be able to say the parties are both the same.

    Oh, and while I'm at it, as a retort to all the news media that keeps screaming about Roy Moore and the underage
    girls, check out the age of majority and legal age of marriage in Alabama.

    Dennis
    That's an interesting take on events and Mr. Schoen's theory makes some sense. I've been wondering for some time if something similar isn't happening in the entertainment industry, with aggressive younger people forcing the older ones out in a form of hostile takeover. With the enormous profits at stake it would be a coup worth attempting.

    Regarding the Roy Moore stories it seems there are serious problems with the more serious accusations. One of the women was on the losing side of a decision made by him as a judge, Gloria Allred won't let the yearbook be examined by forensic analysts, and the former policewoman who claimed they had to watch him re teenage girls is related to someone jailed by Moore as a prosecutor.

    While Al Franken seems to have cried "uncle" I suspect Senator Moore will emulate Giles Corey and cry "more weight".

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    I was wondering if anyone else caught the Hillary interview where she said that prior to the creation of Fox News the media acted as an "immune system" for politics. I found that to be a rather shocking admission since it could be taken as providing "immunity" by attacking anything that might threaten certain political interests. As I remember it this "immune system" attacked not only Nixon and Reagan but also outsiders like Perot and LaRouche (and previously Goldwater) before more recently focusing its "antibodies" on Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    I was wondering if anyone else caught the Hillary interview where she said that prior to the creation of Fox News the media acted as an "immune system" for politics. I found that to be a rather shocking admission since it could be taken as providing "immunity" by attacking anything that might threaten certain political interests. As I remember it this "immune system" attacked not only Nixon and Reagan but also outsiders like Perot and LaRouche (and previously Goldwater) before more recently focusing its "antibodies" on Trump.
    The media do what they can to attract customers. Nowadays it's more about creating news than reporting events.

    If politics and politicians are news and news that can sell then the hunt is on.

    TV Newsreader: "Hundreds are feared missing or dead in India following landslides and floods caused by torrential rains."
    Couch potato (but could be SeaMoss): "Serves 'em right. What do they wanna go around following landslides and floods for anyway...??!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawnrs View Post
    1.5 million? that seems high but I have heard of property value going up in certain areas of high demand. JMO, I think the average house has gone up in the last 50 years 3-5 times its value over the last 50 years but with the housing market taking a dump back in 2008 the value plummeted. Today I have not looked lately but my house value is about the same it was back in 1998. I heard of people in my area losing 50-100k when the housing marked dropped but how much they recovered I don't know.
    actually, just now I looked on Zillow. The older home is estimated at $1.62 million, and the newer one, built in the mid 70s, is $2.45 million.
    Really, the USA is simply not one country anymore. The entire west coast has seen house values go up far more than a measly 3-5 times.

    Illinois is dirt cheap, and wages, I would guess, are commensurate. My 23 year old son makes 35 to 40 bucks an hour as a waiter in Seattle. Unfortunately, even working at two restaurants, he seldom gets more than a few shifts a week. not 40 hours.
    Regardless of how you, or I, budget and what we choose to buy, the simple truth is things are a LOT more expensive than they used to be, and wages have not gone up to match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawnrs View Post
    I have heard of property value going up in certain areas of high demand.
    Yes, like all of California, Washington, and Oregon ...

    If I were smart and fifteen years younger I'd buy a house in Detroit right this instant. I've seen nice old-construction solid houses with a yard and separate garage for $15,000. In fact, for what San Francisco spends per homeless person per year, it would be cheaper to buy Detroit and give all the ex-homeless people a bus ticket and a deed.

    Or they could open it up for homesteading. Move in free, make x amount of improvements and in five years it's yours. But no do-gooders could make a well-paid career out of that ...

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    House prices here continue to rise. The larger the city the more the increase.

    Denmark House Price Index | 25-217 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

    Probably not good if you're buying, especially for first time buyers.

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    It’s worth noting that the during the real estate “crash” that national prices did not fall.

    I was watching the trend line at the time and we never sold off to the point of hitting the line let alone crossing it.
    I seem to remember that at the depths we were still at 15% price inflation over the long trend.
    As these things go the upward spike was the aberration and the “crash” just a correction to trend line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trboatworks View Post
    It’s worth noting that the during the real estate “crash” that national prices did not fall.

    I was watching the trend line at the time and we never sold off to the point of hitting the line let alone crossing it.
    I seem to remember that at the depths we were still at 15% price inflation over the long trend.
    As these things go the upward spike was the aberration and the “crash” just a correction to trend line.

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    I think it very much depended on where you lived as to how much the effect was. Also, at least here, how heavily your house was mortgaged.

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    "national prices"

    Also worth noting the the ten year global asset appreciation in real estate was some 70 trillion dollars- exceeding the worlds gdp.....
    Hell of a spike...

    http://www.foldvary.net/works/rebc.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ries View Post
    actually, just now I looked on Zillow. The older home is estimated at $1.62 million, and the newer one, built in the mid 70s, is $2.45 million.
    Really, the USA is simply not one country anymore. The entire west coast has seen house values go up far more than a measly 3-5 times.

    Illinois is dirt cheap, and wages, I would guess, are commensurate. My 23 year old son makes 35 to 40 bucks an hour as a waiter in Seattle. Unfortunately, even working at two restaurants, he seldom gets more than a few shifts a week. not 40 hours.
    Regardless of how you, or I, budget and what we choose to buy, the simple truth is things are a LOT more expensive than they used to be, and wages have not gone up to match.
    I just can't believe how expensive the houses are on the west coast. I know if my house were located in Chicago just tack on about $100,00-$150,00 and you have the same house for a much larger cost. I know Madison and Milwaukee are not cheap but I doubt there are even close to the prices you listed for your old house. Now if I go north/east towards Lake Geneva/ Delevan Wisconsin it gets real expensive for the property in those areas.

    To me is seems crazy to pay those prices for the houses you listed but if you are stuck in those areas you are screwed with paying those prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon B. Clarke View Post
    Did they? I don't think you know how things work in other countries. Prime ministers aren't elected by popular vote.
    Once again you do not know what you are talking about. Check how the leader of the Labour party in the UK is chosen. Why do you not quote what you know about instead of guessing?

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