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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    There, corrected that for you. At a prior time U.S. healthcare WAS worth emulating.

    Of all the inventions that relate to health care lobbyists rank among the worst.
    When was it worth emulating and why wasn't it?for an anti lobbyist vacine?

    Maybe there's a need for an anti lobbyist vacine?

    A lobbyist, on his way home from work in Washington, D.C., came to a dead halt in traffic and thought to himself, "Wow, this seems worse than usual." He noticed a police officer walking between the lines of stopped cars, so he rolled down his window and asked, "Officer, what's the hold-up?"
    The officer replied, "The President is depressed, so he stopped his motorcade and is threatening to douse himself with gasoline and set himself on fire. He says no one believes his stories about why we went to war in Iraq, or the connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda, or that his tax cuts will help anyone except his wealthy friends. So we're taking up a collection for him."
    The lobbyist asks, "How much have you got so far?"
    The officer replies, "About four gallons, but a lot of folks are still siphoning."


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    now if you could just buy a lobbyist tag from fish and game
    to go with a lawyer tag things would improve.

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    I see that Republican senator John Macain went to a government VA hospital. Being a good republican I do not understand why he does not buy insurance on the open market and use private doctors.
    I am sure insurance companies would be beating down his door to sell insurance, at better then government rates, to an 81 year old man with touch of brain cancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    There, corrected that for you. At a prior time U.S. healthcare WAS worth emulating.

    O.
    can we all agree to stop that? This "corrected that for you" crap? The joke if you can call it that is so f'ing old its painful, and it is a low brow thing, taking someones remarks in a quote and changing them. I know it is suppose to be witty, but its not. What it is is misrepresenting someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcgyver View Post
    can we all agree to keep doing that? This "corrected that for you" crap? The joke if you can call it that is so f'ing old its painful, and it is a low brow thing, taking someones remarks in a quote and changing them. I know it is suppose to be witty, but its not. What it is is misrepresenting someone.
    There, corrected that for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottl View Post
    There, corrected that for you.

    that was so predictable. Doesn't change that its wrong.
    Last edited by Mcgyver; 12-15-2017 at 02:08 PM.

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    Are you advocating that the U.S. should get rid of all state universities? That would essentially destroy the greatest education system in the world.[/QUOTE]

    The greatest education system in the world ? Maybe , but it’s going down hill fast ! As the federal and state governments regulate more and more and local control is more of a covering front than a reality the quality of public education is fading fast. Our universities may be some of the best in the world but they’re becoming unaffordable. I sent my son to a private primary and secondary school which provided a fantastic education for my son. When he got to college he gained an appreciation for just how good his education had been. He called home to thank his mother and I. He said that within a week it was obvious that most of the public school educated students in his computer science program were unprepared for college and the demands of his public university program were less demanding than his secondary education had been.
    Socialism always ends in the collapse of society. Some countries start with much greater wealth so take much longer to collapse but they will all get there. Most sooner rather than later.
    The government regulation and market interventions are driving the eventual collapse of the US healthcare industry and will inflict much more misery , premature death , and economic stagnation than would naturally occur in a free market system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveinjax View Post
    Are you advocating that the U.S. should get rid of all state universities? That would essentially destroy the greatest education system in the world.
    The greatest education system in the world ? Maybe , but it’s going down hill fast ! As the federal and state governments regulate more and more and local control is more of a covering front than a reality the quality of public education is fading fast. Our universities may be some of the best in the world but they’re becoming unaffordable. I sent my son to a private primary and secondary school which provided a fantastic education for my son. When he got to college he gained an appreciation for just how good his education had been. He called home to thank his mother and I. He said that within a week it was obvious that most of the public school educated students in his computer science program were unprepared for college and the demands of his public university program were less demanding than his secondary education had been.
    Socialism always ends in the collapse of society. Some countries start with much greater wealth so take much longer to collapse but they will all get there. Most sooner rather than later.
    The government regulation and market interventions are driving the eventual collapse of the US healthcare industry and will inflict much more misery , premature death , and economic stagnation than would naturally occur in a free market system.[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveinjax View Post
    Are you advocating that the U.S. should get rid of all state universities? That would essentially destroy the greatest education system in the world.

    I suggest many of you use time and THINK about what is being said.

    Bernie Brilliantly Explains What The US Can Learn From Denmark - YouTube

    Where is the USA on any list?

    OK probably good - FOR THOSE THAT CAN AFFORD IT.

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    12/28/2017. I heard today that president Trump will go to a free government hospital and have a free government single payer doctor do his free medical checkup.
    So much for keeping government out of healthcare. A free government healthcare plan is good enough for the President of the USA but not good enough for us regular Americans. You would think a good republican would rather pay for his own medical care then take a government handout. Is he bankrupt again?
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    He's going to use the same healthcare system that all of our government uses. Note that Congress exempted themselves from ObamaCare when they passed it into law, they wanted to keep their gold-plated Cadillac plan.

    You call it "free", but we the people pay for it. Pelosi and Schumer use the same system. Wonder what McCain's brain tumor cost the country? Is Obama still on the dole, or did he sign up for O-care? I hope he made it before the deadline.

    Our elected officials get better healthcare than our veterans do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gewehr 98 View Post
    He's going to use the same healthcare system that all of our government uses. Note that Congress exempted themselves from ObamaCare when they passed it into law, they wanted to keep their gold-plated Cadillac plan.

    You call it "free", but we the people pay for it. Pelosi and Schumer use the same system. Wonder what McCain's brain tumor cost the country? Is Obama still on the dole, or did he sign up for O-care? I hope he made it before the deadline.

    Our elected officials get better healthcare than our veterans do.
    They'd be exempted any way.
    All people with employer funded healthcare exempt.
    The plans just need to meet certain minimums.

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    1/12/2018 Trump just went to his single payer government doctor for a free annual checkup. Strange that he did not refuse the free healthcare that comes with the job and buy his own for a lower cost. I guess it is good enough for the president of the USA but not good for it's citizens?
    He really should look into abolishing the Va medical care and the military medics. Maybe he can contract the Chineese to provide battlefield health care to the US soldiers?
    As Scrooge said "reduce the surplus population, and be quick about it"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveinjax View Post
    The greatest education system in the world ? Maybe , but it’s going down hill fast ! As the federal and state governments regulate more and more and local control is more of a covering front than a reality the quality of public education is fading fast. Our universities may be some of the best in the world but they’re becoming unaffordable. I sent my son to a private primary and secondary school which provided a fantastic education for my son. When he got to college he gained an appreciation for just how good his education had been. He called home to thank his mother and I. He said that within a week it was obvious that most of the public school educated students in his computer science program were unprepared for college and the demands of his public university program were less demanding than his secondary education had been.
    Socialism always ends in the collapse of society. Some countries start with much greater wealth so take much longer to collapse but they will all get there. Most sooner rather than later.
    Okay, no dispute from me that the quality of education is declining (overall, of course there are specific instances where that is not true.) Of course that's just my view, other people could say "but look ! any elementary school child can run an iphone now !"

    But even if we agree that your statement is true, just how do you manage to blame that on socialism ? Schools in the US have almost always been socialist. A free public education is one of the cornerstones of the United States.

    Was the US socialist in 1640 when this started ? Public schooling was pretty much the norm in the colonies before there even was a US (except in the South, sigh). All those people who went to public schools since then and wrote novels, built bridges and dams and steamships, invented computers and television and manned flight and UP Big Boys, they were all idiots because schools were tax-funded ? Your free market is going to make the US once again a world intellectual power, all we have to do is get rid of those damned socialist public schools ?

    Pardon me, but I have some doubts.

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    Last edited by Gordon B. Clarke; 01-14-2018 at 08:57 AM.

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    Default A short rejoinder to Gordon's nonsens about healthcare

    The top three drug "distributors" in America raked in over $400 billion last year.

    All these companies do is store a bunch of drugs from various manufacturers in a secure warehouse, and stuff them in brown boxes to be delivered by the brown trucks.

    In today's modern, interconnected society and business world, could pharmacies not easily purchase their drugs DIRECTLY from the manufacturers???

    It never ceases to amaze me how much bullshit overhead exists in our economy!!

    That 400 billion would go a long way towards something, anything, more productive and beneficial to society than just a few armored warehouses.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cnctoolcat View Post
    The top three drug "distributors" in America raked in over $400 billion last year.

    All these companies do is store a bunch of drugs from various manufacturers in a secure warehouse, and stuff them in brown boxes to be delivered by the brown trucks.

    In today's modern, interconnected society and business world, could pharmacies not easily purchase their drugs DIRECTLY from the manufacturers???

    It never ceases to amaze me how much bullshit overhead exists in our economy!!

    That 400 billion would go a long way towards something, anything, more productive and beneficial to society than just a few armored warehouses.

    ToolCat
    I'm finding that hard to believe. Can you give some names? Sounds like an urban legend.

    The 216 List of Top Pharmaceuticals Distributors

    Pharmacies in Denmark

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    Gordon, right there in the first page of your link the totals are $378.4 billion (that's with a B) revenues for the top 3 US drug distributors (that's distributors, not manufacturers).

    Also notice the double-digit increases in revenue each year...

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    I understand that federal law prevents a winery from shipping it's wine out of state. It has to be sent to a federal licensed distributor who can then send it out.
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    The problem with the US system is that the insurance business is involved and take a big bite of the cake.


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