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Sip-mu 214b

I have a catalog for this machine, I can copy for you if interested.

SIP never offered this machine as a mill. Where you may have heard this is that a Swiss watchmaker by the name of Vianney Halter took one and made it into a CNC mill. I have seen what he did and it was a lot of work, about all he used was the basic iron. The machine doesn't use screws so that was the first thing added. The other thing he added were scales that could be read electronically. He has made a lot of parts on the machine he converted.

Todd
 
Can't imagine WHY someone would convert a measuring machine into a mill. SIP made very nice mills, right out of the box. The ad for the machine for sale is certainly interesting. I have one of these machines, with virtually all of the accesories. can't imagine getting 24k for it these days. An incredibly well equipped SIP 1000 measuring machine sold last year for only $3500.00, out of a university in Colorado. I know this because I didn't bid high enough to get it. It went to INDIA.
 
Todd
I would be most grateful for a product literature copy. Since you mentioned Vianney Halter i looked for workshop pics. Found this article complete with image of PM member --Screwmachine_ at controls of Leinen micro-lathe. Not sure I came across the Sip retrofit. I was under impression Sip made bench mill similar to that Hauser seen in George Daniels atelier.

here is link
Vianney Halter - TimeZone

Versamil Brian
It is just a question of time before you buy out the Evergreen Aviation museum complex and open your own. Perhaps when this happens we will get to see your many treasures.

jh
 
John:

email me your address and I will get some copy's in the mail to you. [email protected]

The closest thing that SIP ever built that you could call a bench mill was the original number 1 this was quite similar to the Hauser number 1 and the smallest DIXI machine. The original number 1 had a working range of 3 x 3 inches and took a 8mm collet.

The other machine that you could put on a bench was the original number 2 machine. This machine had a working range of 8 x 8 inches. These are both very early machines, the catalog I have is dated 1930 but the design of the machines looks much earlier than that. They both use overhead drive via a flexible shaft.

Later the original number 1 & number 2 machines were dropped and the new number 1 machine had a working range of 8 x 8 inches and the number 2 machine had a working range of 10 x 16 inches. These are the machines that you see today offered for sale. These are small machine but hardly bench size. There is a good description of the number 1 machine here:
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And the number 2 machine here:
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These are from Tony's great web sight in the UK.

The machine that you see in the photograph of George Daniels atelier is a Hauser P325, those there is only a couple known to exist.

Todd

PS: Here is a link that shows the MU-214 at Vianneys that were made into CNC mills
http://www.tempered-online.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=343
 
wow

Thanks Todd
The link to VH provides an hour's worth of viewing. There is a soothing element to viewing precision swiss work shops in winter. beautiful machines, beautiful landscape. as much as I enjoy nc tools, high end german-swiss from 50's--60's ranks top drawer.

jh
 
WOW! That was an incredible amount of work to turn a small measuring machine into a mill! Although the MU-214 does not slide on bearings, he totally retrofit the slides with bearings. I'd bet some Moore Measuring machines, have certainly been turned into something they weren't originally. What a great link, showing most peoples dream shop.
 
I've been outed!

Vianney built that SIP in desperation years ago, up to that point he had made all of his parts on a Deckel pantograph mill. That machine is a treat as well- it came out of Tesa (measuring tools), and they had reworked it making the whole machine tighter and more precise than as delivered from Deckel.

The little SIP CNC served well as a plain 2 axis machine, then after some time he added a "dumb" 3rd axis that just goes up and then back down. The mechanism he built to to this is awesome; I won't go into painful detail but I remember he was boring a recess for a bearing in it on a Deckel LK... I was talking to him as he took a cut, raised the quill measured with a POS Chinese digital caliper backwards , all the while talking to me, set the boring head, hit the feed, and dammit if he didn't drop that bearing in there after raising the quill and it slid in like silk :willy_nilly:. He's as much a bad mofo machinist as watchmaker.

He has 2 more of those SIPs in process of being converted. He also has a 'big' Primacon proper CNC that a friend of his runs for him in another shop. But he loves his little SIP.
 
I own a SIP measuring machine, and think it's some variant of a 214.
It has what seems to be a complete set of "stuff" - but I've never set it up and really gone through it.
It was nowhere near $24K - that price seems truly over the top.
 
greetings SL
I see a poster of the Cabestan watch on the wall at V Halter atelier. Is VH still involved in production. No mention of VH in the newest piece, the Sol Invictus.

if these are trade secrets I will certainly understand

jh
 
greetings SL
I see a poster of the Cabestan watch on the wall at V Halter atelier. Is VH still involved in production. No mention of VH in the newest piece, the Sol Invictus.

if these are trade secrets I will certainly understand

jh

VH did the prototype. Well, he made the bridges plates etc. and I made all the gearing :). After that there was some disagreements on how to proceed so the project went to another maker for the production run. All on good terms as I understand it. There are a lot of wheels and pinions in that watch!
 
hello from france every body

i 've in my own laboratory
-1 sip mul-1000 (pc qm soft )
-1mu-214b with 3 heidenhain rules
-1mu-214b standard (in condition super mint like new )-->(perhaps to sale soon)

picture sip mul 1000 here :

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i 'm user also of all technology heidenhain in my lab MT60 MT100 ND 221 VRZ 401 ....

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i will try to sent you picture of my 2 mu214 soon and sorry for my english ..!

have a good day !
frenchmarc
 
frenchmarc:

That's some beautiful equipment you have there. What line of work do you use it for?

Don't worry about your English it's fine =)

Todd
 
hello Todd

i think to open a third party laboratory for calibration of gauges (calipers micrometers thread gauges ,plane gauges ,gauges blocks.....)in 2 months max

you know i'm lucky man...because i've visited SIP before they close factory approx eight years ago ...Near from GENEVA (i 'm in france to 40km (25miles?) of geneva.

i 'm specialised in calibration and retrofit of lenght measuring machine SIP since fifteen years --->MUL-300 MUL-302 305M mu-214 mul-1000 ..I use heidenhain glass rules= top quality and the must is to use IK220 pc card and qmsoft software for PC's DRO (in this case you can read 10 nanometers (lol) if your lab's conditions are ultratop ....
SIP mul 1000 AND 300 are the best machines even made for high accuracy (ZEISS and ulm 600-01d make me laugh ....)


The MU214b is 3 axis rules heidenhain reading 0.1µm she's complete of options (absolutly full ) and some are unused , in fact for some items... i 'don't know what for it is used !!(lol)

-sometimes it's very interesting to put interferometer (hp or renishaw)on SIP to avoid to destroy all optics but i prefer glass rules


and you what about your experience of SIP ,and general measurements ?


have a good day

Marc
 
Marc:

My experience with SIP is from being a Tool & Die maker. I work for General Motors Corporation, plus have my own shop on the side. At GM we had two SIPs in the tool room a number 6 and later a model 740 CNC. We also had some SIP measuring machines in the metrology lab next door, they had a OPUS 7 plus a 560M and two 302M measuring machines

In my shop I have a SUPEROPTIC 6A jig borer with the DIR repeating devise. I also have a 1H jig bore.

When you say you visited SIP are you talking about the plant on Rue des Vienx-Grenadiers or the one out by the airport? I was in the the one on Rue des Vienx-Grenadiers a couple of years after they moved out. There were men in there doing construction and nobody told me to leave so I wondered around for a while. The last I heard the building has been renovated. What was the workshop where the machines were assembled is now an art gallery.

Todd
 
hello Todd

you are on the "tooling side (of the strenght lol) " of sip ! ( very interesting because i 'm very unexperiment on this area of SGIP i know that millls (pointeuse semi pointeuse fraiseuses SIP ) are very high class machines because of accuracy ,stability
recently i 've detect on ebay US that some people sold some items SIP but never metrology item .


i visited the one near airport just before the end of this company

very interesting on technoogy but old methods and finaly directly in the wall !

i hope de posthere pictures of my 2 mu214b next week , you will see a traditionnal one absolutly as new (for 50-60years machine)


for the fun do you know that reticles axis optics of were made with breeding of tarentula (using spider cord ) wich were product in the cave during many years (undergroud ) in geneva city ? fantastic no ?

here you have some sip i've personnaly retrofitted:

Calibra - Spécialiste en métrologie dimensionnelle - Expertise - Nos moyens de mesure

Calibra - Spécialiste en métrologie dimensionnelle - Etalonnage - Etalonnage - Nos moyens de mesure

http://www.calibra.fr/presentation.html

have a good day
marc
 
Hi All

I got an offer for a SIP MUL-250 measuring machine.
This model does not seem to be so common as the MUL-214B. Does any one know if this machine is older or newer as the MUL-214B or already has expierence with it?

Tom
 








 
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