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What is "excessive force" re pin gages

revolute72

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I'm caught between two inspectors who disagree about the use of gage pins (XX grade, fairly nice I think) to do a go/nogo type check on a very tightly specified hole about 1/8" in diameter. One says the Go pin shouldn't offer ANY resistance, and one clearly seems to be forcing it and declaring it a pass. I've seen about 20 different places say that you shouldn't use "excessive force" and I wonder what that's supposed to mean. This seems like something that probably gets asked a lot, but I searched through the old threads and couldn't find anything. Thanks,
Dave
 
There should be a little drag when inserting the plug gauge and it should not fall out of the hole on it's own. What makes a little drag..?

That depends in part on the discrimination of your gauges. If going 0.001 at a time, one size could go easily and the next one up bind. Gauges going by 0.0001 should give a better feel for tightness as the size is increased.

Unfortunately, "feel" is pretty subjective.
 
Depending on tolerancing, a Comtor or a Mahr split probe would do. Kinda hard to effectively gage a close hole with plugs; and this isn't even considering circularity. Excessive is too vaguely defined for my taste though like porn, I know it when I see it.
 
Had a falling weight operated system in the lab for a rather different purpose which effectively worked as a poor mans air gauge. If your hole is long enough I imagine something similar could be arranged where the fall time with a right size hole is short but sensible, ours was I think about 10 seconds but timing was by stopwatch, and permitted tolerance translated into timing variation.

Given that the power of modern electronics makes for relatively inexpensive implementation I'm a little surprised that something of this ilk isn't on the market. At first glance around 2 or 3 times the price of a digital type plunger indicator looks feasible for a device working with gauge pins from "very small" to 1/2" or so diameter.

Clive
 








 
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